- Jan 22, 2018 at 10:37 pm #3513763
Sort of a tangent to the other thread…
An animated adaptation of a Ken Robinson TED talk…Much food for thought here.Jan 22, 2018 at 11:02 pm #3513767
First, I really want those drawings on my walls at home. Fabulous stuff.
Second, this was so good I went to the site and downloaded the mp4 so I could watch the whole thing, but it ends in the same place, so I’ll have to dig out the TED talk.
Last, this was done in 2010. Here we are in 2018 and not much seems to have changed, though you’d know better than I. I can’t help but think we are failing children in too many of our schools.Jan 22, 2018 at 11:37 pm #3513775
We’re absolutely failing too many children in too many schools. But from my vantage point, it’s not due to progressive education going too far. It’s because education is still not progressive enough. We’re stuck in a completely outdated paradigm: a system designed to meet the needs of a largely agricultural and industrial society that has somehow survived into a highly technological, global world. It makes no sense. The “Prager U” approach is essentially doubling-down and saying “I don’t care who you think you are or where you’re from, there’s ONE culture here”. It’s completely out of sync with the world and the workforce that my children are inheriting.Jan 22, 2018 at 11:51 pm #3513778
yeah, great animation, and a lot of really good ideas
Nick, don’t watch that, Craig’s trying to get your head to explode
I like the idea of rather than figuring out the one answer to a question, you should try to identify a bunch of answers – divergence
On the other hand, I object to the observation that ADHD has risen with standardized testing, classic correlation vs causation. But I have heard that they use a lot of Ritalin to treat ADHD. Supposedly, many people had ADHD like Einstein, Carniege, Ford, Gates, Clemens, Thoreau,… https://www.quora.com/Who-are-some-of-the-most-famous-people-with-ADHD although take that with grain of salt. If they had been given Ritalin, they wouldn’t have done all the great things they did.
He’s missing the use of computers and AI to revolutionize teaching. That is a way to have the teaching for each student be individualized. But like he said, collaboration is an important part of learning so you also have to have exercises where students get into groups and do things.Jan 22, 2018 at 11:58 pm #3513779
the system with a teacher lecturing in front of a class was a progression from when books were scarce so the teacher read from the one book to a class of people. Paper was scarce so they each had chalkboards.
now we have laptops so each student can read whatever is appropriateJan 22, 2018 at 11:58 pm #3513780
Ben CBPL Member
Great post. It seems like that’s what we would all want.
I was just discussing with my 22 year old son the changing nature of work. We used to go to work for someone and get a salary and benefits and were expected to continue working there a long time. More and more, especially for people his age, people are essentially working as independents, working here and there, stringing together work. It seems that this type of education is particularly helpful to the way work seems to be moving for young people.Jan 23, 2018 at 12:03 am #3513781
Ben CBPL Member
My wife always complained that ADD was Attention to Ditto sheet Disorder. My kids were bored with and sometimes struggled keeping attention. They did so much better when they entered college where collaboration was expected.Jan 23, 2018 at 12:15 am #3513786
“Nick, don’t watch that, Craig’s trying to get your head to explode”
Hey, Nick started it with that Prager video the other day. He deserves a headache, it certainly gave me one.
We’re far less adversarial in person. Though for a minute I was considering poisoning his wine with hemlock at the GGG, Socrates style, but I know Nick’s really a good guy in spite of his hardened, classical liberal heart ; )Jan 23, 2018 at 12:41 am #3513789
I’m just trying to be entertaining
Nick said he likes entertainment
I love everyone. Even Justin.Jan 23, 2018 at 7:31 am #3513850
Nick GatelBPL Member
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
Contrary to popular opinion, I thought the presentation was excellent at addressing the fact our method of teaching stinks; and it was no better when I was a kid. When I look at educating our young people there are two components; (1) what are the essential elements or components, and (2) what is the proper method to achieve this. Robinson mostly addresses the latter.
What is not clearly articulated is, “What is the purpose of education?” The opening sequence infers education should address two issues: “How do we educate our children to take their place in the economies of the 21st century?” and “How do we educate our children so they have a sense of cultural identity?” I also found these educational “goals” in some other Robinson articles that Google discovered.
I think these goals are short-sighted. They are important, but they should be secondary outcomes to a primary purpose of education that should be: to prepare young people on how to live a good life. A quality education should nurture general abilities, special aptitudes, and the capacity for all of life — the powers required for a mature life. We have to develop young minds and arm them with the tools to deal with reality; teach them how to think, how to comprehend and understand, how to integrate concepts and ideas, how to find the truth. They need to learn the important ideas and events of the past, so they can prepare for the future. And most importantly they need to be willing and able to acquire additional knowledge on their own.Jan 23, 2018 at 5:45 pm #3513907
“I love everyone. Even Justin.”
Whew, for a hot second there I was worried I might be the odd Leper out. Thanks so much Jerry for including even me.Jan 23, 2018 at 5:53 pm #3513908
^^^^ I would reserve the “even” for someone mean spirited…..hardly Justin.Jan 23, 2018 at 6:03 pm #3513911
Haven’t you heard, having different beliefs and perceptions than the average constitutes justified black sheeping. No wonder why so who do have different beliefs/perceptions than the average, so often tend to keep their more “out there” beliefs, feelings, and thoughts to themselves. There are probably more out there than most conventional types would tend to think.
Love is an interesting topic though. It seems that the majority of humans are but babes in the understanding and expression of the truest/highest form of Love.
In any case, thank you for the sentiment and speaking up Kat. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming (or, in this case, de-programming).Jan 23, 2018 at 6:05 pm #3513913
Todd StoughBPL Member
Like I said about the news. Why do we think there is a problem with schools and how kids learn? There are plenty of smart kids getting a good education. The only reason we think there is a problem is because the news tells us there is.Jan 23, 2018 at 6:11 pm #3513919
Todd, have you worked much in education?
Count me in with Craig, and I also have a decent amount of time and background in this field, though not near as extensively as him–my spouse nearly so though. Some changes likely would be beneficial, but rather than have corporate think tanks enact new changes and “programs” to sell a product, I think each state should do a collective polling of all teachers, and maybe also students as well, find where there is the most agreement between each set of data and between both sets, and then try those for a bit.Jan 23, 2018 at 6:16 pm #3513924
Then there are the somewhat more niche areas of say autism and the like.
I suggest looking up Jacob Barnett and see how much the Special Education program at his school failed him, and contrast that with how much he has thrived since being taken out of that and allowed to blossom.
I think he was 12 when giving the above TedX talk. When he was young, he didn’t talk and Special Education experts said he probably wouldn’t learn to do much of anything. Boy, how unbelievably wrong were they.Jan 23, 2018 at 6:17 pm #3513925
Chances are Jerry was being humorous…and I missed it 😬.
We love you too JerryJan 23, 2018 at 6:19 pm #3513927
I mentioned Justin not because he’s unlovable, but because he loves everyone too
My humor logic was a bit off target : )
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