Sep 6, 2007 at 3:54 pm #1224941
@jtgishLocale: Coppell, Texas
deletedSep 6, 2007 at 4:30 pm #1401316
Michael FogartyBPL Member
Didn't you just purchase this bivy used for $150.00? This site shouldn't be used to profit off your fellow hikers, by buying used gear to do as such.(resale) Why don't you do this on e-bay? If I'm wrong, then my apologies in advance.Sep 6, 2007 at 4:33 pm #1401317
nmSep 6, 2007 at 5:04 pm #1401319
@earthdwellerLocale: North Carolina
I almost contacted JT to buy this immediately after he posted it for $150 earlier today. I'm glad I didn't bother…
He certainly has every right to sell this for whatever he chooses, but he probably should have handled it a little differently from the outset. I've realized once or twice in the past that I was asking too little for an item, but I never felt comfortable raising the price, especially after I'd already been contacted by a prospective buyer (if that's what happened in this case).Sep 6, 2007 at 6:01 pm #1401327
I will never consider looking at or buying anything from JT in the future if this is the way that he has decided to conduct business of reselling something he had purchased from another member here at BPL. I think that this is a very very bad precedent. As mentioned, if he wants a bidding war take it to eBay.
RichSep 6, 2007 at 6:55 pm #1401338
@pivvayLocale: Rocky Mountains
It's his gear and what does it matter what he paid? I highly doubt it bought it with the intent to resell and make a profit but even if he did who cares.
SUPPLY AND DEMANDSep 6, 2007 at 7:14 pm #1401342
>"It's his gear and what does it matter what he paid?"
No, it doesn't matter what he paid for it. What matters is he posted it for a price of $150 and after he saw how many people were interested he withdrew the $150 price and put it up for bids.
If it was offered at $150 (and it was) and someone agreed to it, he should have sold it for the asking price.
JT's been around here long enough to know better. This isn't Ebay.Sep 6, 2007 at 7:28 pm #1401344
@pblaetzLocale: North East
The way I read the post is……….Douglas Durham listed this bivy for sale on 07/15/07. JT offered to buy it with in 2 hours. Now 6 weeks later he is selling it for possibly $25 more than he paid for it. I don't see anything wrong with that!Sep 6, 2007 at 7:30 pm #1401346
You can't read it again, Phil. JT edited the post. The original offering was withdrawn. That's the point.Sep 6, 2007 at 7:31 pm #1401347
Yeah that's right but DDurham did not immediately say know to JT's offer and bump up the price $25.
I would have no issues if the ad originally started out as a bid.Sep 6, 2007 at 7:34 pm #1401349
As Sam has said, JT had posted the price that many of us had read. JT then edited his posting, reposted a new posting with a new price. I still think that it is in very bad form.
RichSep 6, 2007 at 7:35 pm #1401351
@pblaetzLocale: North East
I stand corrected. I was going based on what I can read now. If JT listed in at $150 then based on his responce, raised the price……..I hope he gets stift.Sep 6, 2007 at 7:41 pm #1401353
Nevermind, Phil. I guess we're on the same page now. Have a good one.
SamSep 6, 2007 at 7:47 pm #1401355
@jtgishLocale: Coppell, Texas
anyone in my situation would do the same thing. call it capitalism. i need money to replace this bivy so why not get as much as i can. i have given away numereous items for free on this site as well as donated gear to scout troops, so for the first time someone is willing to offer more than my asking price and im getting flamed. does not seem fair.Sep 6, 2007 at 7:51 pm #1401356
JT. You offered it up for $150. If that offer was met by someone it's their's. What's not to understand? It's the right thing to do. At least it is where I come from.
SamSep 6, 2007 at 8:01 pm #1401358
I would not have changed the price after posting an initial asking price. Many of us read it. I stand by my initial comments and will not consider your offerings in the future on principle.
RichSep 6, 2007 at 8:09 pm #1401360
If you think this is a flame war, you've never been in one.
BTW The little key with the up arrow makes the big ABC's.Sep 6, 2007 at 8:55 pm #1401370
Ben 2 WorldBPL Member
@ben2worldLocale: So Cal
Yeah, I agree that if you list something for $150, and a buyer agrees to your price, then it's settled.
Frankly, at this point, I doubt anyone would be DUMB ENOUGH to publically bid up the $175 any further! So, even if you do end up selling @ $175, do you really want to be stigmatized for a lousy $25 more?
Finally, next time around, sell your stuff on Ebay if you prefer the bid approach. That's what I do.Sep 6, 2007 at 11:37 pm #1401386
Richard ScruggsBPL Member
Offering something for acceptance is OK.
Offering something for the highest bid price is OK.
But I agree that offering something for acceptance and then, when someone accepts, changing the rules of the transaction to invite others to bid is pretty bad form.
Mixing offers for acceptance up with an auctioneering event in mid-stream deserves criticism and ostracism.
In other words, bait and switch tactics deserve a free ride to the city limits on a long splintered rail.
In this instance, not real sure what happened since the forum allows for history to be erased or rewritten.
JRSSep 7, 2007 at 2:17 am #1401388
@tomcat1066Locale: Southwest GA
>anyone in my situation would do the same thing. call it >capitalism. i need money to replace this bivy so why not get >as much as i can. i have given away numereous items for free >on this site as well as donated gear to scout troops, so for >the first time someone is willing to offer more than my >asking price and im getting flamed. does not seem fair.
Actually, I think most people on here would have just smacked their head and wished they'd asked $175 and move on. What you did isn't capitalism. That's taking it to eBay and selling it, or I'd even say putting it up originally for bidding here would still be OK with me, so long as you were upfront about the method. Instead, you got an offer for more than your asking price, after agreeing to sell at $150, so now you've jacked someone around.
Honestly, it doesn't matter how many good things you do. It only takes one "Aw Crap" to erase a whole mess of "atta boys".
TomSep 7, 2007 at 5:53 am #1401396
todd harperBPL Member
@funnymoLocale: Sunshine State
No, JT, "Anyone" wouldn't do the same thing you did. Some would, but most of the fine folks at this forum would not.
YOU offered an item at a price, someone agreed to YOUR price, and you backed off your offering price, which really was a "promise" to sell for that price, just as the prospective buyer "promised" to pay you the same price.
You broke a promise. I agree that it's ok to make a profit, but underlying that belief is it must be made ethically.
ToddSep 7, 2007 at 6:00 am #1401397
@jackflLocale: New England
JT – I have and do appreciate your contributions to this community. I also agree that the way you've handled this transaction to date is in poor form. I have also occasionally found that I put gear out there at a price that was "too low" – and agree that that's my mistake and I need to suck it up. Use Ebay for auctions. The norm here is to set the price and let the race begin.
That said, I think you've probably heard the message enough – time for all of us to let it go and move on. I hope that you can accept the feedback and that the rest of us can leave it be. If it's still an option, it would be awefully nice if you can honor the original agreement.Sep 7, 2007 at 7:52 am #1401406
John S.BPL Member
Seems too easy to set up false bidding for that to be allowed on BPL forum.Sep 7, 2007 at 8:07 am #1401409
why dont you just let the first person to respond to the 150 offer have the chance to decide if they want it for 175 and work your way down
just a suggestion
jchSep 7, 2007 at 9:37 am #1401415
Rick DreherBPL Member
@halfturboLocale: Northernish California
Did anybody respond to the original posting at $150 with an offer to purchase, prior to the price being changed to $175?
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