Feb 11, 2014 at 3:24 pm #1313192
Steven MillerBPL Member
How about a rule, 1st Post "I'll take it" gets it?
It's been very frustrating to me both as a Buyer and a Seller when deals are offered/struck off Thread.
Opinions?Feb 11, 2014 at 4:02 pm #2072373
Eric JohnsonBPL Member
I'd say it is up to the seller. If they want to monitor BPL to see what is going on, then they can state, as others have, that the first post on BPL determines the buyer. When there is a little negotiation or clarification of shipping, etc, that is pretty hard to carry out on the forum.Feb 11, 2014 at 4:30 pm #2072383
I think "PM sent", and if that deal goes through, "payment sent" are sufficient. This puts the responsibility on the potential buyer and not the seller, who may or may not be responding as quickly as some buyers would like. "PM sent" and "payment sent" are status updates for all potential buyers. If you have "PM sent" down first then you are first in line, but not necessarily guaranteed the sale (until you actually pay). If the owner doesn't want to honor first come first serve then that is their call, though I would think most people expect and do honor that unwritten rule. I would hope so at least. Sometimes people make honest mistakes, particularly on an item that is highly coveted and may be a matter of minutes difference. This is just my opinion, does anyone else agree? Or have a better suggestion?Feb 11, 2014 at 4:58 pm #2072390
Steven MillerBPL Member
The issue I see with "PM sent" is that it isn't clear. Was it a commitment to buy. A question? An offer (below the asking price)?Feb 11, 2014 at 5:11 pm #2072392
Stephen MBPL Member
@stephen-mLocale: Way up North
Either way works for me and I buy and sell a lot.
I am more concerned with the timeline, if I tell somone I
want to buy an item I pay within a few minutes or tell
them I will pay in X amount of time. Often folks say they will
take something and not reply back for hours and others are queing up.Feb 11, 2014 at 5:25 pm #2072396
Max DiltheyBPL Member
I think any effort to further regulate things will just fail.
People who care don't make issues and everything goes smooth. People who don't care or are discourteous wouldn't be more inclined to do things nicely if we add more rules.
Better to just encourage good behavior with clear parameters in your FS post.Feb 11, 2014 at 5:37 pm #2072404
USA Duane HallBPL Member
@hikerduaneLocale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
I got a PM the other night and had no way to respond as they did not have a PM set up nor had any posts to figure out who they were nor did they supply an email addy. I had a few stoves for sale earlier in the winter they were asking about.
DuaneFeb 11, 2014 at 5:50 pm #2072410
"If you have "PM sent" down first then you are first in line"
Not necessarily true. Some folks just send a PM to the seller without posting that in the forums, which might be one of the things Steven is getting to in his initial post. I've done it myself. I don't see an issue with it. I guess I figure it's up to the seller to keep everyone informed in his/her FS thread, and I think most sellers sell to whoever contacts them with the first "I'll take it, what's your paypal addy," whether that's by PM or thread posting.Feb 11, 2014 at 5:53 pm #2072411
Katharina LångstrumpBPL Member
@kat_pLocale: Pacific Coast
I agree with Max.Feb 11, 2014 at 5:58 pm #2072412
Ryan “Rudy” OuryMember
@ohdogg79Locale: East Bay - CA
Yea, to max's point, certainly seems to me that any "rules" would be pretty useless, generally ignored and impossible to police. Its a bit of a crap shoot as a buyer, especially if trying to buy a really popular item. But it is the seller's responsibility to state their personal selling rules up front and to be fair, though there isn't anyway to know if they are. Just gotta understand that going in…Feb 11, 2014 at 6:30 pm #2072417
Trace RichardsonBPL Member
@tracedefLocale: Southern California
My take: Keep it simple, no rules. Seller dictates whether PM, email or thread response …. If someone doesn't have PM's turned on or whatever …. that's their bad. Just be clear on how you expect a response and if someone doesn't follow your instructions, too bad … there may be gnashing of teeth and tears flowing, if they don't get item, but that's on them.Feb 11, 2014 at 6:30 pm #2072418
Robert JonesBPL Member
@rjones07Locale: San Diego
To help in using this site:
Clothing – in heading indicate size, man or women's
Hiking gear – indicate weight
Sales – when certain item is sold edit item and Post SOLD IN HEADING
This will help in searching for items.
RJFeb 11, 2014 at 6:43 pm #2072424
likes hikesBPL Member
I agree with this^^^. Also, I think leaving up the final selling price is nice as well so sellers down the road have some sort of guideline on how to price their item based past sales.Feb 11, 2014 at 7:36 pm #2072444
@mjprohoroff1Locale: Southern Oregon
Hammock forums uses the "I'll take it" rule and it seems to work really well. They do have mods that keep everything running smoothly. For what it's worth, I like the "I'll take it" method.Feb 11, 2014 at 7:52 pm #2072446
@pitsyLocale: Central Texas
It seems simple to me: Everyone who can read the ad also has the ability to respond to the ad in the thread. If the seller has posted his terms clearly, and a buyer declares "I'll take it!", then to me that sounds like a done deal. PMs can also be sent to alert the seller that he has a buyer, in case he's not monitoring the thread. General questions should be asked in the thread because someone else might have the same question. There might be some confusion if a seller is listing multiple items. In such cases, the seller should spell out whether or not he will break up the set. Shipping terms should also be spelled out. If a potential buyer still has questions, he should try to get an answer either in the thread or via PM before announcing "I'll take it" in the thread. "PM sent" in the thread is too vague.
Edit: Did not realize that non-members could read gear swap threads. I never experienced BPL as a non-member.Feb 11, 2014 at 8:10 pm #2072452
Nick GatelBPL Member
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
Problem solved.Feb 11, 2014 at 8:51 pm #2072462
"Everyone who can read the ad also has the ability to respond to the ad in the thread."
That's not true. I bought a few things on Gear Swap before I decided to buy a forum membership. Free accounts are still able to see the Gear Swap forum, and they're still able to PM.Feb 11, 2014 at 8:59 pm #2072467
Dale WambaughBPL Member
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
"I'll take it" is pretty clear. "PM sent" just means a message has been sent, further complicated by sellers using email accounts they don't monitor directly. A simple solution would be for the prospective buyer to be more succinct: "PM sent with questions" or "PM sent with offer" to which the seller might respond with "still available" if the offer was not accepted. Just good clear basic communication.
BTW, "I'm interested" means nothing and is really weak. If you want the thing, say so. If you have a question, ask!
+1 on posting size, gender, etc in the title. Giving basic measurements for clothing helps too: across the armpits, back length, center of collar to cuff for tops and across the waist and inseam for bottoms. Weights of course. Photos, definitely yes.
As to leaving the prices up, the sales are ultimately private transactions. If the seller wants to leave it, fine; if not, it really is no one else's business. There are so many variables that it is pretty much useless anyway.
Honesty, courtesy, and personal integrity are the keys.
The forum format is not a perfect world and the sales should be kept in perspective: this is small stuff. Breathe.
I would like to add something on Pay if Forward offers: if you accept a PIF item, follow through with a reciprocal PIF and keep the spirit of the thing going.
My $0.02Feb 11, 2014 at 9:21 pm #2072474
janos mathiesenBPL Member
@janosmLocale: phinney ridge
I also think it's the sellers option to sell to whoever he/she pleases even if for hard-to-understand reasons. Buying and selling is a fluid affair that has elements of timing (whether seller or buyer checks computer often etc…), indecision (buyers and sellers both back out for a myriad of reasons) and personal preferences. I'm just saying that attempts to regulate how we buy and sell (short of dishonesty and misrepresentation) does not seem appropriate, tenable or needed.
Again, my humble opinion.Feb 11, 2014 at 9:57 pm #2072483
Thayne NBPL Member
Janos and Dale nailed it.Feb 11, 2014 at 10:39 pm #2072499
I agree, "I'll take it" makes more sense than "PM sent", but in the end no "rules" seems to be the consensus. It does help to hear what others are thinking so that we can avoid future miscommunications though.Feb 11, 2014 at 11:24 pm #2072511
Edward JursekBPL Member
@nedjursekgmail-comLocale: Pacific Northwest
I buy and sell a bit on the Gear Swap Forum. I have missed out on items, sometimes for reasons I can't understand, but that is just too bad for me. It is the quick and the dead on the GSF and life isn't always fair. Losers will weep and rend their merino garments in rage and frustration while winners will wrap themselves in whatever cuben goodness they just scored and roll around the front yard in it laughing manically with glee. Wait a minute, that would be weird. I have never done that. Ever.
A seller can sell to whom ever they wish for what ever price and terms they want. If I feel a seller has treated me unfairly I would post it loud and clear and then never buy from that person again. When I sell, I make an effort to take the first firm offer I get. Not "I'll take it but I have few questions first",or "I am interested but have to sell some blood first to get the funds together" but rather "I'll take it at the price you want on the terms you want." I then make an effort to post a timely update. I don't wait just because someone was quick to ask me questions or express interest in an item. A simple "PM" or "PM Sent" in regards to a sale item is totally meaningless to me and in no way means dibs or I'm first. Posting "Dibs" or "I am first!" means I am first to me. Crazy, I know.Feb 12, 2014 at 6:38 am #2072557
Jennifer MitolBPL Member
@jenmitolLocale: In my dreams....
I've been trying to clear out my overflowing gear closet and selling stuff – I'm new at it, I'd never sold anything before. I get a notice of PMs in my inbox, I don't always have access to BPL while at work (whereas my email is always up).
I go by the first solid "I'll take it" either on PM or posted…once I see something in my inbox I try to check the forum to see if someone else was first, but to me the email/PM is much easier to manage throughout the day.Feb 12, 2014 at 6:46 am #2072561
D SBPL Member
Let's face it folks, the BPL PM system is the SUCK. I don't like using it at all, as it has no History unless both parties copy/paste every time. I much prefer that the seller provide email info for contact. I like the White Blaze format, where user's emails are available as an option in the profile.
And as Dale said, sales are private transactions, so I don't like the "I'll take it" either.Feb 12, 2014 at 7:23 am #2072579
@geokiteLocale: Southern California
I wish the original seller would leave the price in the ad, after it has sold. Instead, we can't tell what that item is worth in the future if we sell an identical item.
Or, if you are not in the know you could just unknowingly sell it for 1/4 of it's worth, whatever…
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