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Franco DarioliBPL Member
"I'm not sure what you are trying to say here Franco"
I'll explain the problem…
You are basically calling another forum member dishonest because he buys and sells all the time possibly for a profit
(I don't know that, just posting your take on it, for all I know he could be one of the many that likes to try things out and or play with gear)
You then want a discount because the item in question (the Gatewood Cape you were after) was bought ALMOST TWO YEARS BEFORE and (your assumption) used in the meantime.
Not obvious to you but those two arguments cancel each other.Jan 26, 2014 at 6:34 pm #2066575
I am with Franco on this.
Justin, is it unethical in your opinion to buy a house and ten years later sell it for more than you paid for?Jan 26, 2014 at 7:36 pm #2066604
Such idealism smacks of not having a dog in the fight.Jan 26, 2014 at 7:43 pm #2066610
I think you are a nice guy and I am not saying that in a condescending way. I also think that you come off as better than thou, implying that the rest of us just cannot understand what living an ethical life means.
This may not be a question of ethics, but it may not be the nicest thing to do, assuming that someone on the forum lacks ethics based on the sale of one item.
What life one truly lives is way too hard to tell from what people write on an online forum; one can make assumptions and that is about it.
It is easy to condemn someone we do not know at all for trying to make a few bucks. That is not a sign of greed to me.Jan 26, 2014 at 7:46 pm #2066612
I've never heard such whining in all my life. Grow a pair and get on with it.
What you have done here is far more destructive to any sense of community. You're like Joe McCarthy, just trying to garner attention for yourself. For shame.Jan 26, 2014 at 10:01 pm #2066678
Btw, after thinking about it some, i apologize for projecting my sense of ethics onto others and expecting others to think similarly. That's limiting and only tends to foster separation and discord. We all have different ways of looking at things, and my way isn't necessarily the best. I was speaking from the space of the golden rule and that i treat others how i would like to be treated, and since i wouldn't upcharge others on gear swap on a used item, i sometimes automatically and unthinkingly expect the same of others.Jan 26, 2014 at 10:35 pm #2066690
Marko BotsarisBPL Member
@millonasLocale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
"I've never heard such whining in all my life. Grow a pair and get on with it."
There's no crying in baseball!
Every time you "apologize" it seems to take the form of an "I'm so sorry for expecting you guys to be as good/sensitive/open minded as me". Like I said a while back – passive aggressive.Jan 26, 2014 at 10:49 pm #2066697
Thought you said awhile back you were ignoring me hence forth? Couldn't help yourself?
Mark, from your consistently rather lengthy posts here, i could say what i think of you and your issues, but what good would that do me, you, or the community here oh ye who is so free from all issues and human lacks.
I haven't apologized much here at all either. I did apologize for my grumpiness when i was home sick, bored and irritated in general almost a month back.Jan 28, 2014 at 11:18 am #2067206Jan 28, 2014 at 2:07 pm #2067263
Franco DarioliBPL Member
"Unfortunately the 75% of the posts on Gear Swap are Gear Scams, overpriced with no value add"
So about 75% of the buyers there are suckers.
Or do you mean that because the price is not low enough for you but good enough for someone else , that makes the former dishonest and the latter stupid ?
How about just for "fun" you have a look at the last 4 pages (25 threds per page) and find those 75 scam posts so that we can have a better idea of what you mean ?
Or just do one page and list the 19 out of 25 that are ?Jan 28, 2014 at 2:22 pm #2067267
I also question the 75% being either scams or overpriced items.Jan 28, 2014 at 8:17 pm #2067377Jan 29, 2014 at 11:00 am #2067541Jan 29, 2014 at 11:28 am #2067561Jan 29, 2014 at 11:34 am #2067564Jan 29, 2014 at 4:34 pm #2067689
I get your point Roger, but I still have to meet someone that during the housing bubble would not take more than they paid for when selling their house, irregardless of improvements.Feb 2, 2014 at 8:09 pm #2069171
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
I find all this really wierd. Here we have America, the champion of freedom, independence and capitalism for the whole world … and a few people want heavy-handed rules and regulations about what a vendor can ask for some goods.
You might get that sort of state interference in a Communist or Fascist society, but here in the free world on the internet????????
I boggle. If you don't like the price, don't buy!
If you want to mention that the price is too high (for whatever reason), feel free to do so (politely).
It's a free world!
CheersFeb 2, 2014 at 8:23 pm #2069179
All we need is more rules …Feb 2, 2014 at 10:26 pm #2069215Feb 3, 2014 at 7:53 am #2069267
"But in the end, this is your site Roger Caffin. You set the policy."
I think that's twice you've said that, but it's not true. Roger is simply a moderator (well, and a sometime rabble-rouser, but he is an Aussie, so it's expected). This is Ryan Jordan's site. Ryan sets the policy, not Roger.
"What I am whining about (more cheese with that wine please) is that BPL is a community. Amazon and eBay are are free markets without a community."
I think many of us see it as a community, but obviously many don't. They're here to sell stuff and read stuff, not to contribute or communicate. And that's okay, it's allowed. It's not how I choose to use the site, it's not how many others choose to use the site. But, really, every community has 'members' who don't really participate or contribute, BPL is no different. It's pretty easy to recognize those folks, and interface with them accordingly, FWIW.Feb 3, 2014 at 8:11 am #2069278
Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
I have no problem with gear swap. I feel like it would be improper of me to post something like "you can get that for the same price new" or whatever.
"Kat used the example of the real estate market boom and many profited from selling at high prices. That's the free market that I'm totally OK with."
I have a huge problem with real estate bubble. It was precipitated by loans that were made to people that couldn't afford it. Because a bunch of scamster bankers were make mega money "packaging" these loans and selling to people that didn't know they were junk. Because they paid off politicians to eliminate regulations. And then, the bubble inevitably crashed, which then took down the world economy.
This is the problem with "the free market". Inevitably, insiders scam unsuspecting people and you get bubbles and crashes.
Leading up to the 1930s "great depression" there were a series of great depressions, then they put those regulations in the 1930s, things were much calmer until the Reagan/Friedman/Clinton/Bush free market repeal of those regulations.Feb 3, 2014 at 8:14 am #2069281Feb 3, 2014 at 9:56 am #2069312
This is an area where it's best to let adults negotiate what they think is a fair price regardless of the seller's desire to make a profit. Of course my wife would quickly mention that I'm an overgrown man-child so I have to reconsider my qualifications to enter into these agreements.Feb 3, 2014 at 12:34 pm #2069376
@damiancLocale: Southern California
"I have 20 used assorted tea bags, soaked once, slightly used, HAHA. I'm selling the lot for $20, I secretly only paid $3 new."
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