Aug 30, 2013 at 7:49 pm #1307141
Get a grip on the anarchy thing.
We lost many battles but we are going to win the war against the war. Victory is ours if CO and Washington don't screw up.Aug 30, 2013 at 7:51 pm #2020339
If the Boomers died off without legalization their whole generation was a waste.Aug 31, 2013 at 4:47 am #2020397
David NollBPL Member
@dpnollLocale: Maroon Bells
A lot of boomers didn't use it nor do we want to see it legalized.
Dave (class of 48)Aug 31, 2013 at 5:53 am #2020403
Same group that said don't trust anyone over 60.
Booze and smokes are OK though?
The time has come whether you(personally)like it or not. Been such a waste of money, effort and lives for something less damaging than alcohol or tobacco.Aug 31, 2013 at 7:16 am #2020418
Most of the harm is because it's illegal, like giving money to criminal gangs
If it was legal you could better manage any harm because of the drug itself, like restrict sale to minors, reduce DUII.Aug 31, 2013 at 8:27 am #2020426
Is "it" marijuana only or is meth part of this conversation as well?Aug 31, 2013 at 8:30 am #2020427
Just Mary Jane. Because of what the feds just said.Aug 31, 2013 at 9:17 am #2020437
I think we should see how legalizing marijuana goes
If that works out then consider other drugs
Again, there is more harm because of their illegality than the drug itself, and if you sold drugs from government (statist) stores, you could better treat the users.
Like meth users break into cars and houses to steal stuff to trade for drug. If you just gave it to them, they would stop stealing.
And you could give them drugs in trade for having to talk to social workers who would help them to quit using, maybe help them to eat better,…
Besides, I believe Walt is looking for a new gig and could produce lots of good meth : )Aug 31, 2013 at 9:28 am #2020439
and tax it.
Here in Humboldt we have 1 billion in wages, but 2 billion in sales. Lots of cash floating around un taxed. That money could help prevent anarchy. Or promote it. whatever.Aug 31, 2013 at 9:30 am #2020443
Too bad Obama is not as bold on this issue as he is intent on bombing Syria.
Just like DOMA, tip toeing around, hemming and hawing, rethinking, blah blah.
You remember how Joe Biden put him on the spot on gay marriage? I wish Biden would make another one of his comments.
The only thing that would change if MJ was legal is the tax coffers would fill up as well as less money spent on the criminal justice system. Maybe it would reduce the number of illegal growers in the back country.Aug 31, 2013 at 9:43 am #2020445
"Too bad Obama is not as bold on this issue…"
politics is complicated and inexact. maybe there'de be more backlash
at least he said that he inhaled, and they just came out and said they wouldn't get in the way of legalization. There is a law against it which Obama has no control over.
at least he eventually said he favored gay marriage
at least he ended Iraq war and well on the way in AfganistanAug 31, 2013 at 9:55 am #2020446
Stephen MBPL Member
@stephen-mLocale: Way up North
And tax the hell out of it, everyone's happy.Aug 31, 2013 at 10:52 am #2020452
Ike JutkowitzBPL Member
@ikeLocale: Central Michigan
Medical marijuana has been legal in Michigan for a number of years now. We did a preliminary study looking at marijuana intoxication in dogs and found an 800% increase in ER admits since the time of legalization. I've got to believe that pediatric ERs will probably be seeing something similar. Not a fan. But then again, not a user either.Aug 31, 2013 at 11:24 am #2020458
Ryan SmithBPL Member
Are the only benefits tax dollars and less people in jail? What are the consequences if usage goes up 20% once legal? Just throwing a number out there, not sure what actual figures would be. Increased insurance costs? To say "Well, it's not as bad as alcohol or tobacco." Havent those two substances killed millions of people? Not sure if that should be our benchmark here.
RyanAug 31, 2013 at 11:45 am #2020463
Tobacco and alcohol are both physically addictive, yet legal. Ever heard of pot withdrawal? I don't think anyone has any real idea of how many people do smoke, or how much they smoke.
I live and work in Pot County USA The biggest problems here is meth and alcohol. The pot growers for the most part seem to be organizing themselves so to protect the brand of Humboldt weed. The bigger ones, not the house growers burning down their rentals with shoddy wiring and what not.
What if usage goes down once legal as it might be considered passé?
I've been too hungover to go to work.
Stoned, wake up hungry and ready to go.
Cigarettes stink up everything.
I had an alcoholic, smoking step father. Both killed him.
Know people who have smoked pot for 40+ years. Healthy and still working. Productive humans that pay taxes and contribute to society. Most pot smokers you'll never know they do. Not the stereotype that the media want to push. Sure they are out there. A small group.
I'm pro salmon. And I vote.Aug 31, 2013 at 12:01 pm #2020468
"We did a preliminary study looking at marijuana intoxication in dogs and found an 800% increase in ER admits since the time of legalization."
People take stoned dogs to the ER in Michigan?Aug 31, 2013 at 12:33 pm #2020479
spelt with a tBPL Member
@speltLocale: SW/C PA
What happens to the people already incarcerated, is what I want to know.Aug 31, 2013 at 12:36 pm #2020482
Those incarcerated for possession only should be released. Seems fair. Grandfathering can work both ways. Sometimes losers lose.Aug 31, 2013 at 12:38 pm #2020483
Do they really put people in jail just for using marijuana? Incredible!Aug 31, 2013 at 1:15 pm #2020488
Sure, legalize it and pretty soon people are going to want to marry their dog! It's against nature, I tell you!
What? Oh, pot. Never mind…..Aug 31, 2013 at 2:56 pm #2020510
Ryan SmithBPL Member
How long did it take cigarettes to become passe? 70 years? I think it's reasonable to assume usage would increase if it was no longer illegal & readily available to the masses.
I can agree that marijuana has seemingly less harmful side effects than alcohol and tobacco, but I don't think that is a great reason to legalize it. It still has side effects that must be considered & weighed against the positives regardless of other substances side effects. Pot has more tar & carcinogens than cigarettes so its reasonable to believe there is an increase in cancer risk. The thing that probably saves most folks is they aren't smoking 60 joints per day like cigarette smokers do cigs. I guess my main issue with it is I don't see how it betters society if it's completely legalized. Medical use, I can see that. I am open to other positive uses out there that I'm not aware of.
RyanAug 31, 2013 at 3:08 pm #2020514
It betters society to tax it, don't put people in jail, don't have criminal enterprises that import and sell it, if it's only legal for adults then probably harder for minors to get it (drug dealers don't care if they're selling to minors)
'cmon, how many of those "medical" users do you think are really just recreational? and why should the government decide whether use is medical or not
oh no, now I'm beginning to sound like Ike : )Aug 31, 2013 at 3:34 pm #2020523
My feelings are mixed on the topic. I presented a "legalize every damn thing" paper in college. I then have had the misfortune to witness the carnage of methamphetamine addiction for the past decade. The problems with this drug are well beyond the peripheral crimes. My wife is a mental health professional by trade. She has a number of clients who have literally fried their brains and even if they stopped using meth today, there's little that can be done to bring them back to the land of the living.
I realize that the conversation is about MJ but I just wanted to throw that out there.
MJ is now legal in Washington by popular vote. I don't believe the Feds are going to interfere but only time will tell. I think it'll be interesting to review some raw data a decade from now to see what the actual impact is on our criminal justice system, health system, and as a source of tax revenue.Aug 31, 2013 at 3:53 pm #2020527
I agree, review data from MJ experiment
Maybe legalizing meth would actually make it easier to prevent people from using it. Current drug sellers encourage users. Government drug sellers could work to quit usage.Sep 1, 2013 at 11:33 am #2020693
Justin BakerBPL Member
@justin_bakerLocale: Santa Rosa, CA
Jerry, in California, the medical thing is a big joke. Yes, there are people who benefit for medical reasons but the majority of people with medical marijuana cards do not have a medical condition. It's a way to legalize it without actually legalizing it. There are clinics that exist only to give out cards. Just tell them you have anxiety and you are good to go.
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