Jul 7, 2013 at 8:43 am #1305059
So, obesity is now declared a disease?? This is so wrong. Pills and operations, here we go. I fear this will have an impact in EU.
Amazingly strong lobbying going on…Jul 7, 2013 at 8:46 am #2003291
I know. Maybe lazy will be declared a disease next. If only stupid was a crime.Jul 7, 2013 at 8:57 am #2003297
Thank you Ken, that helped to get my blood pressure down again ;-)Jul 7, 2013 at 9:39 am #2003316
My response on behalf of CHU (Chubby Hikers United):Jul 7, 2013 at 2:58 pm #2003453
I just don't think it will help people that could benefit from other approaches. It seems wrong to me but I don't really know what the long term effect will be. At this point it just looks like taking the personal responsibility out of it.Jul 7, 2013 at 3:20 pm #2003465
@meldLocale: The here and now.
For some obesity is a disease but just to categorically label all obese as diseased doesn't do any one a service. It's like every thing else in society, you don't really seem to be personally responsible for your actions. Always someone else's fault.Jul 7, 2013 at 5:10 pm #2003504
If someone has lost the ability to control their weight, what difference does it make if we call it a "disease" or not? And who cares who's fault it is?
If that person is seeking help, shouldn't they be able to get it…whether it's surgical, pharmaceutical, diet, exercise, or all the above?Jul 7, 2013 at 5:21 pm #2003508
Just like smoking.
Want to be an addict, be one. Own it. Don't expect others to care or pay for your addiction.
Really this whole issue comes down to money. Who pays?
"And who cares who's fault it is?"
The ones not making a profit.
Our healthcare system is poised to make money off us again.
Viva socialized healthcare!Jul 7, 2013 at 5:33 pm #2003516
Viva compassion!Jul 7, 2013 at 5:35 pm #2003518
I hear and agree Craig. Too bad we have hospitals as profit making corporations. I mean really, how did that come to pass?
Someone was asleep.
All the accountants needed the office space so out go the compassionate ones.Jul 7, 2013 at 5:37 pm #2003519
"If that person is seeking help, shouldn't they be able to get it…whether it's surgical, pharmaceutical, diet, exercise, or all the above?"
Yes, but once you make surgery and meds more easily available, less and less people are going to want to put any effort into their health. If there is an easy solution , irregardless of how invasive/ risky/ unnecessary it may be, more and more people will opt for that.
I know at least two people with back problems that never tried losing weight, exercising, yoga or anything else. For them surgery was the first course of action, despite other recommendations. One has had three surgeries now and is still struggling. The other has had three as well and struggles with pain killers addiction, pain and depression.Jul 7, 2013 at 6:06 pm #2003530
Fat isn't–or should not be–a moral issue. We are immersed in a culture that pushes crap food and lifestyles at us, makes us hate ourselves so we will buy buy buy (food, among other things) for that hit of dopamine, then turn around and buy buy buy things to try to fix the problems the previous purchases created. $60 billion a year profits for the "weight loss industry" and the stigma of fat people as lazy, irresponsible pigs when really they are just the visible scapegoats of our sick society, whose genes and circumstances and emotional health make them unable to be thin-but-unhealthy like so many invisible others.
Pushing a diagnosis and bariatric surgery at the obese is not a solution, but neither is the "personal responsibility" crap that always gets trotted out when fat people are mentioned.Jul 7, 2013 at 8:25 pm #2003578
Daryl and DarylParticipant
@lyrad1Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
How does one go about modifying an image and posting it like you did (i.e. changing the word "dead" to "dumb"?
I'd like to be able to do this type of thing.Jul 7, 2013 at 8:29 pm #2003580
@cfrey-0Locale: US East Coast
I am addicted to visiting chaff.
I know I shouldn't.
I know it will suck me in and swallow my valuable time.
However, it may not be my fault.
The need to lurk in chaff is most likely a disease.
I need to take my pills now.Jul 8, 2013 at 12:02 am #2003629
Kat P, I agree 100 percent with what you so elegantly said in your last post.
This is not so elegant:
I'm all in for helping people – even the stupid ones :-) – and people are stupid – me too.
You can make people believe in anything (like 98 percent of the world) – so making people believe that "This pill or this operation is the best way to help you lose your fat" – should not be hard, especially now, that it's a disease. Since we usually treat diseases this way.
Of course we can agree that there's no reason to make it EASIER to be stupid – unless you're all in for making money on other peoples misery.
Of course for some few, there are disease involved, but not for the vast majority.
The reptile brain needs to be under control. It's dangerous on it's own. But it can be o so fun!
Hike on, that's healthy…Jul 13, 2013 at 9:13 pm #2005719
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
> If someone has lost the ability to control their weight, what difference does it make
> if we call it a "disease" or not?
Ah, but what percentage of obese people have really LOST the ability? Maybe 1%?
The other 99% …
> And who cares who's fault it is?
I would imagine that all those who carefully control their own weight might really resent the idea that their taxes should pay for largely ineffectual medicines and surgery for what is basically a disease of affluent and over-indulgent society.
CheersJul 13, 2013 at 9:32 pm #2005732
I really resent that my taxes pay to incinerate brown children on the other side of the world. I really resent that my taxes pay for my own government to spy on me. Thin people being whiny crybabies about fat people need to get the eff over themselves.Jul 13, 2013 at 10:55 pm #2005775
@justin_bakerLocale: Santa Rosa, CA
Is it wrong for me to get angry when I see a land whale park in the handicap zone? I have a family member who is actually handicapped and can't walk.
I agree that while universal health care in America might sound nice, we would probably see an overall unhealthier population when there is no financial incentive to stay healthy.Jul 13, 2013 at 11:27 pm #2005794
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@ben2worldLocale: So Cal
Once it is a disease — doctors, pharmacists, pharmaceuticals, etc., etc. can all get paid. And folks will, of course, expect Medicare and their insurance companies to pay. Our government will then need to borrow more from China — which will help them improve their infrastructure and their factories to sell us more stuff at low prices. What's not to like? :)Jul 13, 2013 at 11:37 pm #2005798
Then the Chinese will get fat too..Jul 14, 2013 at 7:51 am #2005841
We are the fattest country in the world already and consistently score lower on most measures of population health than countries with universal healthcare. How much more "financial incentive" do we need to get ourselves healthy, exactly?
The beatings will continue until morale improves.Jul 14, 2013 at 9:24 am #2005866
It appears the consensus wants obese people to be added to the list of boogeymen tearing down our Our Great Nation one taxpayer dollar at a time.
Never mind the endless wars, a surveillance state, and a crypto-fascist corporate government…undocumented obese queer Muslim welfare queens are what we need to be worrying about.
Wait….I think my neighbor's been acting fishy. And the guy could stand to lose a few pounds. I'm calling the NSA.Jul 14, 2013 at 10:05 am #2005882
Just pick a fight with him and shoot him. I hear you can get away with that now.Jul 14, 2013 at 10:15 am #2005886
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
Just like smoking obesity is caused by sophisticated marketing campaigns by manufacturers. And engineering the product to make it more addictive. And they know it makes people unhealthy but they don't care, just make more money.
Not that people shouldn't take personal responsibility. They certainly suffer the consequences.
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