May 22, 2020 at 10:11 pm #3648728
I read Eugene Volokh’s blog regularly, I find it fascinating. This is a piece by Josh Blackman I find pretty interesting, and I thought some of you might as well.May 22, 2020 at 11:34 pm #3648736d kBPL Member
I’m not sure what the situation in Mississippi is; are churches actually being singled out, as they seem to claim in the article, or are any places with large gatherings prohibited? That’s certainly the case where I live (all gatherings over a certain size prohibited).May 23, 2020 at 8:01 am #3648755
A few churches are defying shutdown orders, saying it’s their constitutional right (it’s not, there are supreme court cases – as long as the shutdown has a reason and is the most limited way to satisfy that reason).
It’s hard to figure out what governments should do. Start with talk to them. If there are just a few bad churches maybe ignore it?
It’s terrible someone would burn the church down because they were defying the order. In the age of Trump it’s how it is. His statements stir up “his base” but also his critics. We should just try to ignore him and hope he goes away.
I didn’t carefully read that article. After the church burned down, the local government made statements critical of them being open rather than sympathy about being burned down? That would be screwy. I don’t quite understand what the suit against the local government is about.
Trump will now reference this and say this shows how there’s a war by Democrats against churches, voting for Trump is the only way out.
Hmmm… liberals don’t seem so much into burning down churches. Maybe it was a Trump supporter trying to give Trump an argument for voting for him? (The best humor has a grain of truth to it)May 23, 2020 at 8:55 am #3648765
Okay, I just happened to read another article about this https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/22/mississipi-church-coronavirus-restrictions-fire/
The lawsuit was filed before the fire.
The decision was after the fire – fairly reasonable – the church could have services as long as they took reasonable precautions
But the stuff in that article was B.S. (sorry Doug). The court decision should have just stuck with the legal aspects – the church could stay open with precautions.
Instead, it added criticism of the local governments statements about the fire. Nothing to do with the lawsuit. I have no idea if the local government statements were appropriate. The judge could have said something sympathetic to the church about their building being burned down.
Judge’s decision was reasonable. Wading into political issues unnecessarily was beyond what the judicial branch should be doing.
In my opinion : )May 23, 2020 at 11:17 am #3648810
“But the stuff in that article was B.S. (sorry Doug)”
Don’t be sorry to me, I didn’t write it. But important to note that other than a few explanatory lines by Blackman, the rest is the actual text from the court decision.
@dk: On the Mississippi State Department of Health website: Church services, funerals and weddings: Because MSDH has identified COVID-19 cases specifically linked to church gatherings, it is vitally important that all Mississippians not attend in-person church services at any church or other type of facility.
There have been (at least) a few places where some churches have sued to ‘open’ and say they’re being treated differently than other places as states reopen — why is it okay for lots of people to go to Lowes, for example, but churches are supposed to stay shut? (I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing).May 23, 2020 at 12:08 pm #3648822d kBPL Member
Thanks – and I do understand you aren’t taking a stand here, Doug.
Okay, it does specifically mention churches in one section, as quoted above, but also says more generally earlier on “Avoid social gatherings and community events where more than 10 people would come into close contact.” So I don’t see this as singling out churches, at least not now. Perhaps the language was stronger earlier on.
Also, it seems a lot of the the same people who are saying “open up X, it’s low risk” are objecting to closings of churches when they specifically have been identified as sources of outbreaks.May 23, 2020 at 1:33 pm #3648832
church – an indoor crowd, people next to each other for an extended period of time, much riskier
Lowes – spread out, brief encounter – less risky
The reason Trump talks about churches is to be polarizing, play to his base. It also enrages his opponents that then burn down churches.May 23, 2020 at 5:07 pm #3648858
“church – an indoor crowd, people next to each other for an extended period of time, much riskier”
Not always. Somewhere in the South, I forget where, the governor was prohibiting churches from having services outside, even some at drive-ins where people wouldn’t even be getting out of their vehicles. It had nothing to do with trump talking about churches.May 23, 2020 at 5:25 pm #3648862
That’s B.S. That should be allowed, in my opinion.
Yeah, everything’s not about Trump : )
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