- Feb 10, 2012 at 10:35 am #1285495
A week or so ago, Sam Haraldson had the mother of all closet-cleaning sales. Included were a couple of titanium pot supports for alcohol/Esbit use. He didn't remember where he got them or who made them. It turned out it was me. When BPL used to sell my Zia grills, I had slipped the two pot supports into a shipment of grills to Sam. I wanted to see if he would have any interest in selling them in the gear shop. He was too polite to say no, so I blew it off. However, since a couple of you snapped up the supports during his sale, I wondered if there might be some interest after all. So I thought I would make a broad offer to make these available to you. Here is a photo of the two versions I can make. The one on the left is made of burly .09" titanium, and the one on the right is a lighter .062" titanium support.
For purpose of minimizing the number of photos, I included several types of connectors that hold the three support legs together. Only one is needed at each of the three corners. On the left, you'll see both a silicone and an aluminum tube. For the support on the right, you'll see pinched aluminum and silicone tubing, and also a perfectly fitting brass one.
These supports can be folded up to minimize storage space, by simply removing one connector. This photo shows them folded up.
For reference, the .09" support on the left is 2" high, with 3.25" long pot rests, while the .062" one on the right is 2.5" high with 3" long pot rests. With only the aliminum connectors employed, the .09" version weighs just 11 grams (.39 oz.) and the .062" support weighs 6 grams (.21 oz.).
I will make these to your specifications–height, length of pot rests, and if you would like brass connectors instead of aluminum (which adds ~ 2 grams of weight, but are perfectly sized for the .062" rods). For serious stability at a minimal weight penalty, I can make the connectors run the full length of the legs. One thing to note is that silicone can get singed if near the flame, and probably shouldn't be full length.
The .062" rod will be fine for supporting 2 cups of water in a light pot. If a support made from .062" rod is taller than 2.5" it will be slightly unstable and wobbly unless you use full length connectors. For a taller support, or one that will support more weight, I recommend the .09" rod.
The price for the .062" support is $10, which includes PayPal and shipping. I have a lot of this titanium rod sitting around, so I can't see charging for the metal. The .09" rod is a different story–this uncommon diameter rod is expensive, so I have to charge $16 for these, which also includes PP and shipping.
If you have a specific requirement, such as a huge pot or something, send me an e-mail and we can discuss things. If you would like me to make one of these for you, please contact me. I prefer to not go through the BPL IM system, so just send e-mail to my home (email@example.com).
Edit–(2.27.12) I can now offer 4 types of connectors for both rod diameters– silicone, aluminum, copper, and brass (add $2 for full length brass connectors–that metal is expensive). You can pick your type of metal and I'll throw in a set of silicone ones.Feb 11, 2012 at 6:34 am #1837865
Saturday morning bump…Feb 11, 2012 at 7:10 am #1837875Matt BBPL Member
@mbnowLocale: New England
would like both shown in photo.
Matt BFeb 11, 2012 at 7:12 am #1837878Matt BBPL Member
@mbnowLocale: New England
my email is giving me trouble.
is your paypal firstname.lastname@example.org?Feb 11, 2012 at 7:46 am #1837888
Yes, that is my PP e-mail address, as well as my home e-mail. As for the ones in the photo, I think I might have used the .09" support on the patio once or twice, to test the height. It still is a nice support, no flaws, but a bit discolored from that minimal use. If you want it, it's yours. Otherwise, I'm happy to make a fresh one for you. The .062" version in the photos has never been used. Also, do you want short connectors, or full length? I will include both the aluminum and silicone connectors, so that you can later decide which ones you like (and to also have some backups). Or would you rather have brass connectors for the .062" support? Are you certain of your required height, and that the pot support triangle is right for your pot? As for the price, let's knock it down to $23 for the pair, since we're saving on shipping. Let me know, and I'll get 'er done for you. I will send them Monday. Why don't you try sending another e-mail to my home, and we can discuss things.Feb 11, 2012 at 10:17 am #1837960
Matt and Brian, thanks for your purchases. Your kit will be mailed Monday.Feb 11, 2012 at 10:46 am #1837976
Projected weight of one that uses .062 that is two inches long by 1-3/4 in height using the lightest connectors you have.
My existing stand is 4.03 grams so just wondering if I can shave a few tenths ;)Feb 11, 2012 at 1:34 pm #1838071
John, now that puts you into a different class altogether–trying to shave a few 10ths of a gram! So, being a geek myself, I went down to the war room and knocked one out to your specs (except that the height turned out to be 1/32" shorter than the intended 1.75"). My kitchen scale rounds things off to the nearest gram only, and this little support weighed 4 grams. It might actually be 4.4 g., or it could be a scant 3.6 g. Care to roll the dice and take a chance? Anyway, have a look at what will be forever known as the Abela Mini-Support. It's certainly a cute little sucker.
The BPL Firelite 550 pot contains 2 cups of water, and the support handled the weight fine. The silicone connectors are only .375" long, but they stabilize the 3 support arms quite well. For taller supports, I tend to go with .75" or 1.0", but this would add 10ths of grams, and we mustn't have that, right?
Anyway, thanks for the challenge, John. It was a fun way to spend 45 minutes. Let me know if you want it.Feb 11, 2012 at 2:55 pm #1838108
My pot is 2-3/4 wide by 3-inches tall so it should work and fit perfectly!
Email with my details on the way :-)Feb 12, 2012 at 12:23 pm #1838430
And the winner of the cute little Abela Mini-Support is……you guessed it, it's John Abela! He told me he is shooting for a 1 ounce cook kit. Now, that's some serious dedication, folks. I hope he will share that with us when he finally gets there.
John, Matt, Brian–your kit is all packaged up and will be sent tomorrow.
Now, is anybody else interested in a custom pot support for your alcohol or Esbit setups? I'm happy to bend the titanium for you…Feb 16, 2012 at 2:54 pm #1840362
The Abela-Mini arrived today.
I calibrated my gram scale and put your stove on my scale:
Using the metal connectors it comes out to 4.16 grams
Three Ti rod pieces: 3.76 grams
Three metal connectors: 0.40 grams
Three plastic connectors: 0.44 grams
My other stand (reweighed it) is 4.06 grams.
I took my normal pot, a suluk46 ti wind screen and a half-cube of esbit (cut long ways) to see how long it would take to heat up the water. I got a shrimp eyes in 5 minutes 30 seconds. This is around 20 seconds faster than using my previous stand, which I attribute to this one placing the pot higher from the top of the esbit.
Thanks a bunch!!
John B. Abela
HikeLighter.ComFeb 16, 2012 at 5:49 pm #1840467
Arghhh…we didn't break the 4 gram barier after all. Thanks for letting me know that you received it, John. I'm really curious–what was the exact distance from the top of the Esbit tab to the bottom of your pot? Another customer has been having trouble getting a quick boil, and we're trying to figure out what the optimal tab-to-pot distance is. I had always read that Esbit works OK between 1" and 2", but that the optimal distance is between 1.5" and 1.75". What do you think?
Happy boiling, John.Feb 16, 2012 at 6:16 pm #1840481
Yeah, got really close though!! 4.16 grams *is* something to write home about after all!!
I think if I were to not use ebsit and instead to a candle stove I could probably cut off just enough off the legs to get below 4grams and still have it high enough to bring some water to a boil. Esbit just burns at a higher flame I have noticed.
As for the question you asked… I do not actually know just yet. I only used it the once when it first showed up and I only used a half-cube and I was only after shrimp eyes as that is as hot as I wanted the water for my tea.
But, let me burn through some cubes over the next 30 or so minutes and see if I can get it to bring up a full boil.
I have no idea what pot the other person is using but I will switch over to use a Zelph 2c ridgeline pot.
Report back soon.Feb 16, 2012 at 7:13 pm #1840510
I was totally and completely unable to get a full size Zelph Ridgeline Pot to come to a boil – I could not even get shrimp eyes. This was on a single cube with a Suluk46 Ti Windscreen.
I switched over to a Zelph 2cup Ridgeline pot and I was able to get a full boil and than a second pot of water got crab eyes. This was on a single cube with a Suluk46 Ti Windscreen.
Just for the record the little one you made for me, is exactly the wrong size for pots that do not have a flat bottom lol. I had two pots of water spill on me along the way hahaha. Thankfully my primary pot is flat bottomed.
Here is a photo (2 megs) of the stand in-use. This photo is from the first time I used it so I wrapped my pot with aluminum foil because I did not know how bad it would funky up on me. It is sitting on a piece of carbon felt which I always put my esbit on to aid in heat and keep from burning the forest down.
All in all I can confirm that trying to get a pull size bear can of water is just not possible, even with a wind screen in a 70 degree room with no air flow and cold tap water. But with half an esbit I am able to get my water warm enough for when I want that rare cup of tea while I am hiking – granted I only have a 7oz pot (just enough for a cup of tea.)
Let me know if you want any more tests done and I will give them a try from my end.Feb 16, 2012 at 10:04 pm #1840594Tom ClarkBPL Member
@tomclarkLocale: East Coast
I got one of Sam's (your) pot stands. It was my first time with hexamine tablets. I needed two of the Coughlans tablets to get 2 cups of cold water to boil in my BPL pot during my Zion trip last week (~25 F). The stand itself is ridiculously small and light. I really liked the stand, but need to think more about when/where/how to use solid fuel tablets. As I said, first time with this fuel (I have used white fuel, alcohol and Bushbuddy in summer and winter conditions previously). Maybe I should try the Esbit brand under differnt conditions.
TomFeb 16, 2012 at 11:02 pm #1840607
Thanks for your post, Tom, and especially the photo. That support you have is one of my earliest prototypes, and it's pretty short (what, ~1.75" tall?). I sent it to Sam to show him how these supports could be made, with no specific implication as to what they would be used for. I actually use one occasionally that it is a mere .5" tall–for use in steam baking to keep the muffin tin off the bottom of the pot. Different uses dictate different heights, you see.
Some things about Esbit:
1) The optimal tab-to-pot distance seems to be between 1.5"-1.75". When the pot is as close to the tab as your photo shows, the efficiency of the flame is markedly reduced.
2) An Esbit's flame is very susceptible to any breeze that might be present, which will decrease the efficiency of the boil. In your photo, there doesn't seem to be much of a breeze though. The use of a wind screen will enhance the efficiency of an Esbit stove markedly. It is mandatory when there is a stiff breeze.
3) Different types of tabs might perform differently. I have no experience with the Coghlan's brand, having only used Esbit's version. I doubt that there's that much difference in their respective performance though.
4) It's best if you can have the Esbit tab be set up off the cold ground by maybe .25" or so. The tabs seem to burn more efficiently that way.
Tom, if you would measure the length of the support legs and PM me, I am happy to send you some extension connector pieces (a PIF, if you will) that will effectively increase the height of your pot support. We can probably raise the support to more effectively work with your Coghlan's tabs. Better yet, please send a direct e-mail to my home: email@example.com The dratted BPL IM system is too cumbersome for my liking…
Anyway, thanks for posting, Tom.Feb 17, 2012 at 8:12 am #1840696BER —BPL Member
Just a quick shout out to Gary. These are nice stands! The .09" Ti is very sturdy and holds a full evernew 900mL pot without difficulty. I'm very pleased with mine, and the quick turn around. Thanks Gary!
For reference, mine is 2" high, 3.5" wide, 12g
Feb 17, 2012 at 8:43 am #1840709
Thanks for your comment, Brian. I'm glad you like it. I'll be working on your other stuff today, but I won't be able to send it until Monday. Have a great weekend!Feb 17, 2012 at 10:09 am #1840760Steven KillionBPL Member
@blendedfrogLocale: Pacific Northwest
Where are you sourcing the silicone tubing for securing the legs? ThanksFeb 17, 2012 at 10:57 am #1840796
I'm pretty fortunate–Boulder has an amazing store called McGuckin's Hardware. They carry nearly everything imaginable, including several diameters of silicone tubing, and also the aluminum and brass tubing I use as the indestructable connectors. Sometimes you can score silicone tubing at a fish tank supply store. You could also scout out your local hardware stores–you might get lucky.Feb 20, 2012 at 9:13 am #1841880
I told the people that purchased the Zia pot supports and grills over the weekend that I would mail them on Monday. I forgot that today is Presidents Day, and the post office is of course closed. So they will be mailed tomorrow. They should all arrive by Friday, except for the grill and supports to be sent to Kenneth–he lives in Denmark.Feb 21, 2012 at 4:24 pm #1842617
I mailed everything today. Please let me know when you receive your stuff, so that I'll know it made it to you. Or, just post "Got it" on this thread. Thanks, guys.Feb 22, 2012 at 4:32 am #1842866
First congrats on the new website!! I was meaning to ask you if you had one when I write HikeLighter.ComFeb 22, 2012 at 9:29 am #1842979
What web site? I don't have a web site. I'm just an HTML-challenged titanium bender, and my only exposure is here on BPL, where the true gear geeks congregate.Feb 23, 2012 at 1:31 pm #1843661Tom ClarkBPL Member
@tomclarkLocale: East Coast
I've been emailing with Gary (always nice to talk with someone that is obviously enthusiastic about their work/hobby). He had highlighted some of the reasons why my original one may not have been optimized, and I agreed with him.
He has been gracious enough to make a taller pot stand with longer sections for my larger pot. Looking forward to playing with the stand on my porch until my next backpacking trip.
I'll let you know how it goes…I have some Esbit burning a hole in my pocket!
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