Feb 18, 2011 at 4:22 pm #1269360
@foundLocale: Sacramento, CA
Wow, the Republicans are really trying to gut wilderness protection this week. Anyone else following this? Really, their budget is a full scale attack on all sorts of environmental programs.
"Rep. Heller (R-NV) would axe the Antiquities Act, which is the reason places like Arches, Bryce, & Zion are protected today. The 2nd, from Rep. Bishop (R-UT) would eliminate funding for BLM's Conservation System – meaning all BLM monuments, conservation areas, wilderness, wilderness study areas, etc."
They've voted to gut the Clean Air Act too.Feb 18, 2011 at 5:10 pm #1698519
Marc EldridgeBPL Member
@meldLocale: The here and now.
1994 all over again. They'll be gone in '12 when people figure out what they are up to.Feb 18, 2011 at 6:10 pm #1698539
@fluffinreach-comLocale: no. california
yes, without a doubt the time is right to defeat the evil republicans. the efforts of doing that should give the better people a good excuse to not notice that the democrats still have their war going on. several of them in fact.
politics is theater.
this is so obvious that at times, it becomes awkward to watch somebody take a "side".
v.Feb 18, 2011 at 6:13 pm #1698540
um… right.Feb 18, 2011 at 6:14 pm #1698541
Ben 2 WorldBPL Member
@ben2worldLocale: So Cal
The GOP is corrupt, self serving and even evil at times!! Sadly, the Democratic Party matches it in every respect. Sigh…
Still don't get why Bush felt compelled to use our military to "sell" our system to the Iraqis??Feb 18, 2011 at 6:22 pm #1698544
@foundLocale: Sacramento, CA
The political circus aside, this is a considerable threat to the areas that we love to hike in. I for one, care about protecting the areas where I play. This makes me pretty angry.Feb 18, 2011 at 6:43 pm #1698559
"The GOP is corrupt, self serving and even evil at times!! Sadly, the Democratic Party matches it in every respect. Sigh…"
"The political circus aside, this is a considerable threat to the areas that we love to hike in. I for one, care about protecting the areas where I play. This makes me pretty angry."
Agree on both points. The rhetoric on both sides is non-stop. Here's a typical over-the-top quote from one of our nation's fine Rep's recently,
"EPA would, I am sure, tell you that they are simply collecting a little bit of data on greenhouse gases, that this registry is simply a very innocent effort to learn a little bit more about who is emitting greenhouse gases — who or what," he said on the House floor.
"But this data is the very foundation of the EPA's effort to pursue its radical anti-jobs agenda."
Think of the Children!!!11!!1Feb 18, 2011 at 7:35 pm #1698570
"Agree on both points. The rhetoric on both sides is non-stop."
But somewhere in between all that rhetoric are real people and real places that this political circus has a life and death effect upon.
Like Utah. Like everywhere.
But then the disgust with the system and ultimate political paralysis creeps in. Get frustrated, get disheartened, get apathetic…and you give them exactly what they want: a populace that doesn't blink an eye at $170 billion handouts to AIG, yet is perfectly willing to back cuts to vital services for the elderly, disabled, and children because "there's just no money"…as if they're the culprits for the economic crash.
As long as we keep blaming the wrong people….
Meanwhile, we've got an entrenched national policy of corporate welfare and cronyism of the highest order and 1 to 1.6 TRILLION (that we even know of) going to the Defense Department.
Can we even draw a line between Government/Corporation/Military any more?
We've got Halliburton and the likes still out there raking in millions in no-bid infrastructure contracts that get sold off to subcontractors in the blink of an eye. And WHAM-BANG, it's $1 million in tax-payer dollars right into a private sector pocket, HOLY MOLY look at that stock soar! But no, we're to believe they're not the culprit, it's the guy next door that wrecked the economy, the firefighter, the teacher, the nurse…the unscrupulous public employee or family on food stamps raking in the lavish salary and benefits, sitting in the bubble bath, and laughing at the private-sector working man.
Don't forget that every penny you'll ever pay for your entire tax-paying life just funded one mile of asphalt in some corner of Afghanistan…and that road will be abandoned and reclaimed by the desert in less than a year, that is, unless KBR is able to use it as a service road for a pipeline (Gee! Thanks, taxpayer!)
The political circus couldn't be a more obvious distraction from what's going on. Look past it and go fight for someone or something you believe in.
Thanks for the links Jack.Feb 18, 2011 at 8:03 pm #1698580
"But then the disgust with the system and ultimate political paralysis creeps in. Get frustrated, get disheartened, get apathetic…and you give them exactly what they want…"
Been close to this a few times myself and have found that being active to help people and places right at home works wonders in restoring the will to fight some more on a larger scale.Feb 19, 2011 at 6:33 pm #1698901
Marc EldridgeBPL Member
@meldLocale: The here and now.
for any of you who are interestedFeb 19, 2011 at 7:55 pm #1698934
@davidlutzLocale: Bay Area
The EPA budget ran around $7-$8 billion dollars for quite a few years.
Then in '10 the budget ballooned to $10.3 billion dollars.
The actual increase in dollars from '09 to '10 was $2.6 billion, a 34% jump.
A budget reduction of $200 million dollars hardly seems like a "slash", an "attack" or an "assault" to me.
Wasn't the stimulus intended to be "timely, targeted and temporary"?
And aren't we supposed to shy away from aggressive words like "slash", "attack" and "assault" in the spirit of engaging in a civil discourse?Feb 20, 2011 at 10:03 am #1699096
If you think for a second, that either one care about hiking trails, you might want to take a goverment class. Democrats and republicans only care about one thing and just like James Joyce, I won't finish this……Feb 20, 2011 at 11:11 am #1699118
I think a strategy is to get people apathetic,
thinking that both Republicans and Democrats are just selfish,
then it'll be easier for them to rip us offFeb 20, 2011 at 3:52 pm #1699248
@retropumpLocale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
American politics is certainly entertaining because of it's extreme polarisation! I will say, at face value, that the Republicans at the moment seem to be anti-wilderness, anti-environment, anti-science, anti-health care and welfare, but maybe they've always been that way. Probably more fair to say they are anti-government involvement except when it comes to oil and warfare…Feb 20, 2011 at 6:09 pm #1699295
Republicans always that way, but some republicans and democrats are exceptions either way.
Glad we can provide you some entertainment.
Republicans are in favor of welfare to large corporations and wealthy people.Feb 20, 2011 at 6:21 pm #1699301
There is good and bad in each political party. However, which of the two is more tolerant towards others, and generally do the right thing more often than not. If I were to make a choice to side with, it would be with The Dems…many reasons why. As for 3rd party politics? It will never work within the USA. I have been a Green Party member and an Independent. I will stick with the Democrats now thank you.Feb 20, 2011 at 6:28 pm #1699305
"Republicans are in favor of welfare to large corporations and wealthy people"
AND Democrats are in favor of welfare to social institutions and the poor (wink)Feb 20, 2011 at 6:33 pm #1699307
I have to agree with Green Party way more than Democrats
But in general, if you vote Green it's the same as not voting
Other countries allow this sort of thing to work – you can have multiple parties and then a coalition decide on leadership, or I think it's called fusion voting – where you can, for example vote Green #1 and Democrat #2, if the Green candidate isn't in the money then your vote goes to the #2 – I think maybe Australia has this? or some other Western democracy country?Feb 20, 2011 at 6:35 pm #1699308
Well, like Warren Buffet said, there's a class warfare between the wealthy and the rest of the people and his class won : )Feb 20, 2011 at 6:46 pm #1699315
Brad FisherBPL Member
@wufpackfnLocale: NC/TN/VA Mountains
I really don't like either party because the agendas are all just about votes and the people they represent(lobbyist )
Just to comment on the oil bashing
– exxon profit margin 8%
– apple profit margin 21%
– Microsoft profit margin 30%
In 2009 exxon paid 79 billion in taxes or an effective rate of 47%.
When you say someone or a company should be taxed more. You are basically saying that the government can use the money more effectively and efficiently. I think the first thing that comes to most peoples mind regarding government spending is waste. It's not a perfect system but I think the business world does a much better job creating business value and growing an economy.
Just my two cents. No I don't work in oil and gas. I'm a CPA by trade and run a small business of about 50 people. I live this world of taxes, high health insurance cost, global competition, etc. I just want the government out of my way. Both parties
BradFeb 20, 2011 at 6:56 pm #1699321
"But in general, if you vote Green it's the same as not voting"
Nobody "loses" votes to a third party. Nobody is entitled to your vote. If Dems don't want to "lose" votes to Greens, they better put together a real platform. If the Republicans don't want to "lose" to the Libertarian movement, they'd better put up as well.
Make them earn it. Isn't that the point!?
Every vote for a third party candidate puts pressure on the two parties to get with it, lest they're willing to continue seeing huge chunks of voters turn from them.
Voting for someone or something you don't believe in is the antithesis of democracy; I have no interest in political calculations. If you keep voting for the lesser of two piles of $hit, don't be surprised that the end result will still stink up the country.
No third party "costs" anyone an election. The sorry, tired, sold-out, and cowardly platform of your own party does.Feb 20, 2011 at 7:10 pm #1699324
@davidlutzLocale: Bay Area
Thank you Brad, well put…….Feb 20, 2011 at 7:29 pm #1699328
Craig, I respectfully disagree with you. I am on my third scotch and about to approach an epic dinner. I will reply to your post tomorrow. I too thought the same at onetime, and now disagree.Feb 20, 2011 at 7:32 pm #1699330
and one last thing before we all put ourselves on a pedastool. Politics are not black and white. They are grey. For those that have studied politics will understand that statement.Feb 20, 2011 at 7:45 pm #1699332
"Politics are not black and white. They are grey."
So you're against politics being black and white, but advocate only two choices on election day?
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