Feb 1, 2011 at 7:39 pm #1268550
My oldest really enjoys day hikes and is to the point that I think she is ready for some overnighters this spring. I am looking to find her a light child size pack, a 20 degree synthetic bag, and possibly a short sleeping pad. She just turned ten, is probably only seventy pounds and four foot ten. I am hoping somebody with kids getting older wants to pass along some gear. I know this will only be used for maybe two seasons with the way kids grow so I am not wanting to invest a lot. I also don't want to get her a bunch of junk that is going to make backpacking miserable. Long story short if anyone has anything like this let me know and I will see if I can afford to take it off your hands.
-Jay ( and Sierra )Feb 1, 2011 at 7:49 pm #1691218
Mark HudsonBPL Member
@vesteroidLocale: Eastern Sierras
I dont have any gear to pass on, but do have a 12 year old that I just went through this with.
He is taller and still darn hard to fit with any kind of decent gear.
REI has had more than one kids size bag in the bargin basement section of their site, so check there once a week or so.
If yours is anything like mine, a simple short z rest will make them happy for sleeping…mine has never complained sleeping on one I have.
The pack is going to be tough to fit I think. I put mine in an exos 34 small I found but I believe it would swallow your daughter. Maybe just any sort of school type pack, or again something in the rei bargain areaFeb 1, 2011 at 7:57 pm #1691222
These are the same thoughts I have been having. The REI garage sale is coming up in Kennewick so I will go and check that out and see if I can find something there. The 3/4 pad I have now works good, but that leaves me with no pad so I am going to keep an eye out for one of those. The pack is the biggest challenge. She wont be carrying a lot of weight, just clothing, sleeping bag, pad, snacks, water, and emergency essentials. All together maybe ten pounds. I have been pondering doing a make your own gear type pack and sizing it down, but I don't think I will have the time to complete it before next winter.Feb 1, 2011 at 8:04 pm #1691225
Katharina LångstrumpBPL Member
@kat_pLocale: Pacific Coast
I wish I had some gear to offer to you, I think BPL will come through. I am always glad to see little girls getting to experience the outdoors. Too often they get to stay home while brother goes with dad. Good for you! I can contribute a hat if you'd like.Feb 1, 2011 at 8:10 pm #1691229
Steven AdeffBPL Member
would something like this pack
it's a day pack for an adult, but may be the right size for your daughter.
anyway, I bought it when I was looking for a day pack, I decided on another so I no longer need it if you think it would work.Feb 1, 2011 at 8:10 pm #1691231
I have an old external frame pack from when I was 12 and in scouts – I was small for my age. Unfortunately, shipping it may be cost prohibitive, but you can have it if you want it for just the cost of shipping. I can take pictures if your interested. Besides pad and sleeping bag, what else do you need for her?Feb 1, 2011 at 8:33 pm #1691242
John DevittBPL Member
I have no gear to offer that would assist you. One of my teenaged bouys is a twig, and packs were a real challange. The osprey tallon 44 was a good fit, but the buckles seamed flimsy to me. There are short sized quilts that pop on here for sale. I have 2 moonestone 30 deg F synth bags in short that have served us well. Sometime these show up on C.L. & E-Bay.
There are a couple of guys on here who may be able to make a bag & pack to meet your needs. If you just need very basic designs, these may even comparitive in cost to buying new gear at a retailer. Best of luck on your search!
JohnFeb 1, 2011 at 8:40 pm #1691247
Luke SchmidtBPL Member
@cameronLocale: Idaho Falls
I wish I had a pack to offer but I don't. Here are a couple ideas. Look for size small or extra small adult gear. A lot of times the smaller stuff is the last to sell when its discountinued so you can find good deals on places like SierraTradingPost.com This could work for sleeping bags too. For sleeping pads get a cheap Wal Mart blue pad or a slightly nicer one at REI for a bit more.Feb 1, 2011 at 9:02 pm #1691258
Allen ColemanBPL Member
I have a 13 year-old daughter that is super thin (about 5'0" and 70 pounds soaking wet) and an 11 year-old daughter that is super thin ( about 4'9" and 6- pounds soaking wet). For backpacks, I bought the Osprey Jib 35 for the oldest (got it when she was smaller) and the Deuter Fox 30 for the youngest. I like the Osprey better, but the Deuter is fine…..both are VERY adjustable to make them fit just right. For sleeping bags, I found getting an adult sleeping bag works great. They'll grow into it, is my reasoning. Obviously, when they are only 70 pounds they don't carry much. A few years ago, my girls started carrying just the packs, sleeping bags, water and snacks. Now they will carry their packs, clothing, water, food and split the tent between them. I carry they kitchen, any additional cold weather gear for them, extra water (depending on the area)and any other additional things. My pack is a little heavier than 25 pounds, but it's such a short distance, it's not an issue for me. Total weight for the girls packs is about 14 to 18 pounds for each of them (depending on what clothing, ect we will use)…not bad. The 10-15 mile overnighters work out very well. This year we'll start the 2 night treks. The girls love it and ask when the next one is all the time. Good luck, she will really enjoy spending time with you.Feb 1, 2011 at 9:15 pm #1691262
@lopezLocale: San Gabriel Valley
I approach this a little differently, here is what works for me.
I just did this with my three daughters, 6, 8 and 11 years old. For myself, I like good gear because I want to do alot of miles for alot of days carrying 20lbs or more, my kids wont do anything like that so I shop accordingly.
My daughters pack is a rucksack-type toploader from Walmart $35 with extra straps and handles cut off, foam pad cut to length, cheap $40 sleeping bag from walmart, cheap puffy jacket from the thrift store. This was all that was in her pack and it weighed less than 8lbs for sure. My pack contained everything else we needed including her clothes, food, bowl, etc. Her clothes were thriftstore stuff, fleece galore can be found there.
For 3-5 trips a year, this gear will work great and will last for several years. She carries very little weight, so durability is not an issue. If she gets more serious about backpacking later, then I'll invest.Feb 1, 2011 at 9:36 pm #1691269
Luke SchmidtBPL Member
@cameronLocale: Idaho Falls
For a long time my little brothers used the following gear.
1. 2 pound 40 degree sleeping bag from Dick's Sporting Goods, on sale for $40.
2. A variety of backpacks moslty hand me downs (i.e. free)
3. Cheap plastic ponchos. We just didn't go if there was a really bad forecast (may not be smart out west, we were in Virginia).
4. Thrift store fleeces and down jackets and vest.
5. We mostly slept under a tarp.
None of this stuff cost much and it worked well for shorter overnighters. Once the youngest brother got into backpacking more I started outfitting him with nicer gear like a homemade pack and I turned his sleeping bag into a quilt and made him a bivy, I still wasn't spending much.
Its harder to go light with a bigger group of kids but for just one its fairly easy for the parent to carry a bit extra if the gear isn't the lightest in the world.
If you want nicer gear here are a few ideas
1. North Face Tigger 20 degree sleeping bag. Its just over 2 pounds and pretty good.
2. Dueter Fox kids pack.Feb 1, 2011 at 9:54 pm #1691274
@kbwebLocale: Tacoma, WA
I have nothing to offer gear wise but think it's awesome that you can share the outdoors with your daughter. A few years back, I was climbing Mt. Rainier and passed a 12yr old (if I remember correctly) and her grandfather heading up to high camp. It was one of the warmest moments I’ve seen on the mountain. Although very slow on the upper mountain (she was faster than him), they made it safely up and down. Can't tell the make of the pack, but she is defiantly carrying her share of the weightFeb 2, 2011 at 7:38 am #1691354
At 4'10" you probably have some adult size options available. I'd get her torso measured for a pack. As for a sleeping bag, both my wife and daughter (6 years old) have Sierra Designs Flex 30 down bags. They are great quality, will last a long time, and can be had inexpensively ($100 or less sometimes). This will be much lighter than most synthetic options, warmer, and last longer. I use an inflatable pad and so does my daughter. On established campsites you can probably get away with just a foam pad though.
FWIW, my daughter is too short for adult size packs and the kids packs are too darn heavy. I bought her an adult day pack (used) with a small waist belt which I am in the process of modifying the shoulder strap attachment points.
Previously she has been just carrying a Camelbak mini mule(pink). It's not big enough to do much though.
I think there is an untouched market for functional, little girl packs in feminine colors. Hint, hint.Feb 2, 2011 at 8:41 am #1691382
@johnzLocale: East Bay
For a 10 year old weighing 70 pounds, you are talking a load of 7-10 pounds to be in the 10-15% of body weight range. Just take a light day pack (her school pack) and load a sleeping back (North Face Tigger weights 2 pounds), cut down foam pad and just her clothes and small water bottle. All done. Alternatively, my son can now use a Golite Jam size small. You get to mule the rest, but if she carries that you'll be fine.
This is what we have done with our 2 kids for the past 3 summers. They are now aged 10 and 6 and we did a week long trip to John Muir Wilderness this past summer with their just using day packs. Have fun!!!Feb 2, 2011 at 8:47 am #1691385
Sherry ThoenyBPL Member
I do not have any gear to offer. I have been going through the same thing with my daughter, Sydney. She is 11 and it took a long time to find a pack that would work for her. I found a used external really cheap, but it just never fit. Then I found a day pack that I thought would work. It was just to long on the torso. I found a small pack at a thrift store. It was a Jansport I think. It looked good and seemed to fit her, but it was still not quite right. My mother bought her an Osprey. It is awesome. I felt guilty for not getting it for her sooner. She loves it and never complains about her pack hurting anymore. My mother also bought my niece, Taylor, a Dueter Fox. That too is a great bag. Taylor was 5 the first time she went with us. When we got to camp she was walking around in her pack. Mom and I had dropped ours, but the girls were still wearing theirs. We had to suggest they take it off. The Osprey and Dueter both have many points of adjustment, so you can get just the right fit. They also will grow with you child for a while. I did a brief overview of the packs here:
We ordered them from REI. They do have a great return policy, but happily we did not need it.
Like others have said thrift stores are a great place to find clothing. I have found several down jackets and vests there. As well as other light weight clothes.
I made a bag for Sydney from a down comforter I found at a thrift store. It worked very well.
I would also suggest a hammock. Just a cheap hammock provides loads of fun for Sydney. You can get one that is inexpensive and does not weigh much. Sydndy and Taylor really have fun with it. Plus it works as a camp chair.
Sorry I do not have any gear that will help you. I think it will be a long time before Sydney outgrows her pack.
Here are the girls with packs on:Feb 2, 2011 at 9:22 am #1691399
+1 on the Deuter fox backpack. I found it on clearance at REI outlet and it has been a good investment. I had been using a basic daypack for him, but my son found the deuter much easier to carry. Be careful though, as he turns 10 this year and it is almost too small.
+1 on the Field and Stream bag. It's fairly light and for $40, we've had it into the 30's without issues.Feb 2, 2011 at 11:14 am #1691453
I've got a Osprey Daylite Daypack. You can see it here.
If you think it would work, your daughter is welcome to it. Just give me an address.Feb 2, 2011 at 11:46 am #1691471
You know this might be out of left field as a pack suggestion, but you could try a Granite Gear Nimbus Ozone. The lowest torso adjustment on it is 14 inches, which is smaller than almost all other adult-sized packs out there and works for me as a 5' tall woman. It adjusts all the way up to 17 inches — which means it grows with her, and she could have it all the way into adulthood. Waistbelts can be changed out and come in women specific sizes — and small sizes too. Weight is 3 pounds before modifications, but mine currently weighs in at 2 pounds 8 ounces after trimming and fixing.Feb 2, 2011 at 11:59 am #1691476
Thank you for all the thoughts on this. I wasn't expecting such a big response. I really like the looks of the Deutur Fox, and the great feedback that everyone has for it. Going to keep an eye out for one, and hopefully find one at the REI garage sale. With it being garage sale season for REI if anyone sees one please snag it up for me and I will pay the cost and the shipping if it is under sixty dollars. Went and measured her torso to see what it came up as and she is in the 15 inch range so most day pack options seem to be too tall though I really appreciate the generous offers!! Still open if anyone has a short synthetic bag, though I am pretty stuck on having it go down to 20 degrees as I spend a lot of time up in the eagle cap and the blues where it can get pretty cold at night and nothing is worse then a cold little girl not sleeping well. I have found that she sleeps pretty cold as it is. As far as clothing she is pretty set with clothes. I have found a lot of nice things new and used for good prices that are good enough quality to see her through. Although if her feet continue to grow I may be in the market for a set of trail runners or light boots this summer. All of that said it is nice to hear that I am not the only one that is struggling through this and that other parents are having the same struggles. It is nice to hear what has worked for you so that my daughter can have the best experience possible. Thanks again!!!!Feb 2, 2011 at 12:30 pm #1691491
Mark VerberBPL Member
@verberLocale: San Francisco Bay Area
Alas… all our smaller gear was passed on to others, the last being one of the small MLD packs which someone got at the BPL Pt Reyes trip last year. Good luck.
A group of us started taking our daughters backpacking when they were around 7. The first observation I will make is that having fun, and being with friends counts for a lot. Most young girls will enjoy pretty scenery for a few minutes, but they can get hours of enjoyment playing on a beach, swimming, petting horses, swinging on a rope, etc. So most important is to make the trip fun for them.
Over the last 7 years I have watched what our girls carry change. The first trip most of the girls were using parents technical daypacks or their own book bags, with dads taking some of the kids stuff because their packs didn't have enough volume. One thing to be careful about: a lot of adult daypacks don't work because the waist straps don't go small enough for young kids. The Dueter Fox 30 was the most common pack specifically purchased. A couple of the girls used youth oriented external frame packs which tend to support a wide range of torso lengths. I have a list on kid's packs that a bunch of our girls have used.
With sleeping bags, the most popular kids bag was TNF Tigger, but a number used adult bags with something done to try and cut down the volume. The Montbell superstretch seemed to work the best, with the elastic pulling in around the body, and the drawstring near the foot that lets the bag be shorted. I know it's not a cheap bag, but it's one that can be used for years and you don't have to worry about it being outgrown. I purchased one for my daughter around 4 years ago. She loves it. I expect it will carry her through college when she can buy her own gear.
–MarkFeb 2, 2011 at 2:01 pm #1691545
Mark MendellBPL Member
I feel your pain. Each year it seems I'm re-outfitting my growing girls.
I have the following to offer for the cost of shipping:
Marmot Trestles Jr. 30 degree bag. It's 42oz. Very lightly used.
Boys Medium (M/M on the tag) Columbia convertible pants
Boys Medium TNF convertible pants
Youth Medium Precip pants, blue
Youth Medium Precip jacket, black
I'm looking for a womens medium or small thermawrap or down inner for my 14-year-old if anyone has one to sell. We're headed to Canyonlands next month and I'm trying to lighten her load a bit.Feb 2, 2011 at 3:15 pm #1691572
I have now found a bag thanks to the kindness and generosity of Mark. The generosity of BPL continues to blow me away. Thanks again to everyone.
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