Nov 13, 2009 at 8:01 pm #1241676
Many of you have probably already seen this but here's a rather disturbing review of the Rat Cutlery Izula knife.Nov 13, 2009 at 8:44 pm #1545194
@anywayoutsideLocale: South East
Larry – I'll never follow you any place again.Nov 13, 2009 at 9:31 pm #1545198
Holy Ned! LMAO, and very disturbed at myself that I did.
StargazerNov 13, 2009 at 10:14 pm #1545201
– -K.T.- –Participant
Now I'm too scared to watch…..Nov 13, 2009 at 11:00 pm #1545210
@cbertLocale: N. California
just can't seem to get my knife clean enough…
washing and washing and washing…Nov 14, 2009 at 1:18 am #1545218
@butukiLocale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Poor banana leaf… amputated in the name of love…
From now on I'm wearing gloves when entering a knife enthusiasts' store…Nov 14, 2009 at 2:09 am #1545220
I was with him all the way, until that licking bit…….!
I'm feeling a bit disturbed now.Nov 14, 2009 at 3:11 am #1545222
Suckers… at least I'm not alone now.Nov 14, 2009 at 3:15 pm #1545328
@hellbillylarryLocale: southern appalachians
At least he didn't lick the other hole.
:prepares for post deletion:Nov 15, 2009 at 5:18 pm #1545486
how can I not take a look now?Nov 15, 2009 at 5:26 pm #1545488
The question is, is the knife any good. It's hard to turn down such an alluring knife at only 2 oz. :-)
Seriously, is it any good?
StargazerNov 15, 2009 at 6:19 pm #1545510
It's supposed to be. This video was interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSrlvqrZQKY
It seems to be loved on bladeforums.com as well as the rest of the Rat Cutlery product line up. There are a couple of users here with them but they may not come through this part of the forums.
Concerning the rest of their products I'd like to know the weight of the little fire steels they sell for a dollar each. They're probably pretty light and the price is definitely right.Nov 15, 2009 at 7:00 pm #1545517
> It's hard to turn down such an alluring knife at only 2 oz.
Not really, when you consider the alternatives.
This is a Benchmade 530 compared to a standard SAK. The 530 weighs 1.8 oz (on my scales).
CheersNov 15, 2009 at 8:24 pm #1545536
While I normally enjoy your posts Roger I have to disagree with your assessment since it's difficult to say that one knife is better than another based solely off of weight.
Of course if your not wanting to baton wood there's no point in carrying the extra weight of a fixed blade + sheath since even the lightest seem to weigh more than a good folder or are very diminutive. I've never tried to baton with any of my folders so all I'm going on is speculation and what I've read elsewhere about the hinges not holding up. But I have no intention of putting my good folders through the punishment to find out unless I have to for some reason. What kind of punishment can that Benchmade folder take?
For a good fixed blade that can function as a bushcraft knife in a pinch the Izula seems hard to beat. It's going on my Christmas list this year. The only question now is what color? Thanks to Youtube pink is out….Nov 16, 2009 at 1:37 am #1545570
> it's difficult to say that one knife is better than another based solely off of weight.
Obviously! Match the knife to the task.
But since I always use a canister stove and don't need to split firewood, I don't need a big knife. Here in Oz it is risky even lighting a wood fire outside winter. And if I did want to light a fire here, I would not bother trying to split the local hardwood anyhow. No-one ever does.
But such a folder has many other uses for the lightweight walker:
Breakfast, below Augstbordpass, Switzerland
CheersNov 16, 2009 at 2:16 am #1545573
Yes, let's match the knife to the task (I like how concise that is).
Here in Texas we tend to have a fire ban about once a year in the summer. And it's to hot for a fire around these parts during those months anyway.
In the winter here a fire is a very nice thing for comfort if nothing else and while I generally only light my alcohol stove on winter nights a fire sure is nice and generally very safe. Of course anyone using a Bushbuddy type of stove may want the option to baton wood as well.
Another reason, at least for me to carry a fixed blade, is I tend to spend a lot of my time in the woods off trail. Which has more of a potential to turn into a survival situation than staying on trails where one is likely to be found in the event of an emergency.
Here's why I intend to replace my Benchmade Nimravus with an Izula.
1) Rat Cutlery has an amazing warranty if I do manage to break it.
2) It's very thick for its size (see reason number 1)
3) Made of carbon steel rather than stainless steel. Thus it can be used on natural flints to create sparks and remember two of the keys to going light safely is knowledge, which is weightless, and multi-use gear. Flint is abundant around here too.
4) The Izula is lighter than the Nimravus it will be replacing.
In conclusion, while a folder may be perfect for most camp chores there comes a point where a fix blade is the only real solution. In that regard I believe the comparison between the two styles is really apples and oranges as they serve two very different needs; and in the class of fixed blades the Izulas specs really stand out. Therefore, for me, it's very difficult to pass up the allure of this little 2 oz. knife when it's weighed against the strengths and weaknesses of the other knives competing to be on my hip.Nov 16, 2009 at 3:50 am #1545581
>Another reason, at least for me to carry a fixed blade, is I tend to spend a lot of my time in the woods off trail. Which has more of a potential to turn into a survival situation than staying on trails where one is likely to be found in the event of an emergency.
Really, there is a difference in needs here, and I'm still torn. The Izula looks good for emergency situations. The folding knife for slicing bread (great image, as always Roger!) and other camp duties. I can't imagine myself carrying a loaf of bread on the trail. The weight would be greater than my shelter! Beside slicing open a Mountain House package. I can't think of any other camp duties.
In an emergency situation, I want my knife to be tough as nails, "Stronger than dirt" as the old advert goes). More than once, I've needed to dig a hole in the hard, hard Ohio dirt, and the old p@@p (the board censored p@@p!) trowel didn't do the job. Perhaps the Izula is the one, but I'd be carrying around 2 oz. JIC, a very rare perhaps even non-existent, JIC. Perhaps if I discarded the p@@p trowel and used the Izula as a dual-purpose device, I could justify the weight cost.
Another nice feature is the lanyard aspect (easy access without removing the whole lanyard/ knife from around your neck).
StargazerNov 16, 2009 at 7:26 am #1545614
I don't know that I'd want to use my (sharp) knife to go digging in the dirt…
Anyway, two thoughts:
1. The folder that I carry is the A.G. Russell Featherlite. the locking mechanism seems unique and sturdy. I have used it to baton smaller kindling with. I wouldn't want to split logs with it though. But the Izula won't be splitting logs for you either. Link to the Featherlite:
2. If you like the Izula, you might want to check out Scott Gossman's PSK Jr. Get it in 01 with a paracord wrapped handle and kydex sheath and you'll be set. Same sort of knife as the Izula, but much nicer in my opinion. My experiences with RAT stuff has not been good.Nov 16, 2009 at 10:18 am #1545647
I was a bladeforums member before a BPL member, so becoming ultralight in the knives department is tough for me!
I did however recently pickup an Izula, and it has been great so far! My pack has some small pockets on the belt, that the belt passes through. I've put the knife in this spot between the belt and the pocket. I attached the sheath with a small piece of rope, so I have quick access to the knife. This might be hard to visualize, but the knife just becomes part of my pack.
I'll second the Gossman PSK as well. Great knife with good reviews. He mostly does convex grinds, and I prefer a flat grind. I also like the coating on the Izula as it's always wet here, I'm frequently by water. RAT is a great company that stands behind their products.
There are SEVERAL other knives in this category that people on bladeforums make. However, I've yet to find something that I like better than the Izula. With it being skeletonized, you get a bigger knife than some others. It is also very comfortable in hand. I have big hands, and think that some of the smaller knives would be hard to manage.
If you are looking for a knife, and have some specific thoughts of what you would like to see, head over to bladeforums and look around. There a lot of makers in the Wilderness and Survival forum who design knives to fit into small tins for "survival kits".
The Becker Necker, now made by Kabar, is another similar knife, though it's a little heavier.Nov 16, 2009 at 10:37 am #1545650
Dave, what has been your issue with RAT? They seem to get rave reviews most everywhere I've looked so far. They seem to be a fine trade off between cost and weight in the reviews I've read and seen.
I'll take a look at the knives you mentioned before I make a decision on what to get.Nov 16, 2009 at 11:28 am #1545658
I just like softer carbon steels, Larry. Easier to maintain – especially while out and about backpacking. And the RAT blade I had experience with came with a really dull edge.
Maybe there have been improvements since RAT split with Ontario Cutlery?Nov 16, 2009 at 12:34 pm #1545673
> I can't imagine myself carrying a loaf of bread on the trail. The weight would be
> greater than my shelter!
We only do that in Europe. We usually buy bread every one or two days (often first thing in the morning), and eat most of it with European cheese and jam at morning tea and lunch times. It doesn't last long, let me assure you!
> I've needed to dig a hole in the hard, hard Ohio dirt
I can understand this problem all right! We get plenty of that here in Oz.
I would never ever use my knife for that, but I have found an MYOG titanium trowel to be extremely good even in the hardest soils.
CheersNov 16, 2009 at 1:23 pm #1545693
I checked out the Gossman website. Those look like some nice knives! From digging through google it looks like the PSK is priced similarly to the Izula and that his knives are somewhat revered. I like.
Concerning your RAT experience: From all the accounts I've heard of it sounds like the RAT knives are coming from the factory with a fine edge these days. So those problems should be a thing of the past but it's a shame you got a bad one.
However, with the PSK in the game it's a tough choice now. I still figure the Izula will win out for me since I assume it's a bit lighter because of the more skeletonized handle.
Someone mentioned coming from Blade forums to here. I made a similar journey and must say I'm constantly amazed when people bash going light because it isn't safe when they or someone else on their forum is praised for going into the woods with a knife, some flint, a wool blanket, and not much else. The only difference I see between some of these bushcraft kits and what many ultralighters carry are choices in material and insulation. The components are often very similar other than that (barring things like a small axe of course).
>We only do that in Europe. We usually buy bread every one or two days (often first thing in the morning), and eat most of it with European cheese and jam at morning tea and lunch times. It doesn't last long, let me assure you!<
That sounds excellent and it sounds like the weight will be carried very close to your center of gravity while it's with you. In your stomach!Nov 16, 2009 at 1:58 pm #1545710
@mikefaedundeeLocale: Under a bush in Scotland
The guy may be weird, but it's good advertising!
I really want one of those knives. I can't really think of a use for it, but so what!
I'm sure it will be better at cutting twigs for my Bushbuddy than my Ladybug. :)
knivesshipfree.com only charge $12 shipping to the UK (most charge around $30-35) so i don't have an excuse not to buy one, do i? :)Nov 16, 2009 at 2:57 pm #1545722
Yeah, that guy is weird. Did you see the other video I linked to where the guy cuts a 4×4 piece of lumber up with one and then shaves with it?
Your reasoning for getting one is the same reason I want one of their larger models… like an RC-5 or something.
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