Jun 16, 2009 at 3:25 pm #1237123
Just got August's BACKPACKER mag in the mail. Headline? Ultralight Camping Guide.
Let the critiquing begin.Jun 16, 2009 at 4:18 pm #1508628
Ken T.BPL Member
Matt, You KNOW it's gonna be a bloodbath! I can't wait!Jun 16, 2009 at 5:12 pm #1508640
Tom KirchnerBPL Member
@ouzelLocale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
"Just got August's BACKPACKER mag in the mail. Headline? Ultralight Camping Guide.
Let the critiquing begin."
Man, this post is the forum equivalent of chumming the sharks in for the tourists. I'm gonna come back in ten minutes or so and watch the bloody foam and thrashing tails.Jun 16, 2009 at 5:14 pm #1508642
Chris MorganBPL Member
@chrismorganLocale: Southern Oregon
_Jun 16, 2009 at 7:48 pm #1508693
@beepLocale: Land of 11, 842 lakes
While it's easy to target them for their general ineptness around lightweight gear, I still commend them for expanding their coverage of lighter alternatives.
If one's only sources for information are the magazine, your friendly sporting goods/outdoor store and various friends, then any coverage of lightweight alternatives is a step in the right direction. I don't have to agree with the editorial stance of the magazine in general to see that expanding awareness of gear choices toward lighter stuff is a positive move.
There's plenty of room in the BPL community for some new converts!Jun 16, 2009 at 7:53 pm #1508695
Critique includes criticism and praise…more coming later.Jun 16, 2009 at 8:54 pm #1508714
Nick GatelBPL Member
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
I hate BP magazine. I was one of original subscribers. I dumped them when they went mainstream-glitz.
But lets be fair. There is no universal UL definition. What UL is to us, is something different to BP Mag and mainsteam retailers.
While it may be fun to poke fun at both from our perspective, we should not take it seriously at all. Keep the comments in good natured fun, but don't chastise them, "for they know not what they say."Jun 16, 2009 at 9:38 pm #1508729
John RoanBPL Member
Nick wrote; While it may be fun to poke fun at both from our perspective, we should not take it seriously at all. Keep the comments in good natured fun, but don't chastise them, "for they know not what they say."
"They" poke fun at us…even when they end up tired & sore…isn't it our turn? :~)>Jun 16, 2009 at 11:43 pm #1508748
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
> "They" poke fun at us…even when they end up tired & sore…isn't it our turn?
Nah – just stroll on past them whistling cheerfully. That will do it so much better.
CheersJun 17, 2009 at 12:12 am #1508749
@rezniemLocale: San Francisco
Depends where you get your information. It's no wonder people have ridiculous pack weights if they shop at the big chains.
This past week I tracked down one of the few remaining Neo-Airs in the Bay Area at a retail chain. The manager told me that it didn't live up to the hype because it took over 24 hours to self-inflate. She then warned me not to blow it up as this would damage it, since it's supposed to be a self-inflating pad. She then asked why I even wanted one. Guess the weight didn't even cross her mind.
I was kind of shocked that they would deter people from buying one of the lightest items to come out, and surely a big seller for their store. If they had bothered to read the instructions, they would have realized their error.
Just weird…..Jun 17, 2009 at 12:22 am #1508750
Dang, all this time I've been waiting 24 hours after I reach camp for my pad to self-inflate and I didn't have to! It really slows down my backpacking when I have to spend an extra day at each camp spot just waiting for my pad to inflate. Not to mention the fact that there is nothing to sleep on the first night. I've taken to carrying it around fully inflated because I know that if I let the air out I'll have to spend another 24 hours waiting for it to reinflate. Now I just strap the inflated pad to the back of my pack — sideways. It's a regular 6' size one, so this has the added advantage of making sure no one on the trail can get past me and get ahead. I'm like a neoair roadtrain…Jun 17, 2009 at 1:24 am #1508754
@rezniemLocale: San Francisco
It really is one of the trade-offs of going UL.
Weighs 9 oz but takes a day to inflate. You learn that these compromises are part and parcel of being in such an elite class of hikers.
=)Jun 17, 2009 at 10:30 am #1508810
Jim MacDiarmidBPL Member
neoair roadtrain=UL rock band name.Jun 17, 2009 at 4:27 pm #1508899
Ken HelwigBPL Member
@kennyhel77Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
24 hours to self inflate? Damn Nate, looks like you will have to sleep on the ground.
Must have been an REI salesperson. Dumb…..Jun 24, 2009 at 3:24 pm #1510241
I read it, and was pleasantly surprised on how they put the article together. Not a fan of the whole article, especially the whole single wall and tarp bashing, but they did bring up a few valid points. It may not be all the best information in the world, but most of it seemed to be a good starting point for heavier weight backpackers to start towards the road of lightening their packs.Jun 25, 2009 at 4:42 am #1510343
I'm with you, Jared. I don't think it was terrible, although they probably haven't done as much research as the average BPL forum member. They didn't make it sound like lightweight was something only crazy people do, which is what I seem to hear the most often from uninformed heavyweight packers.
And the article does mention Six Moon Designs, ULA, and a few other companies that aren't their usual advertisers.Jun 25, 2009 at 8:57 am #1510360
A chance to give feedback on how light one editor should go… fill out the gear survey, and leave comments or suggestions.
He has some light options on there… silnylon tarp, cuben pack, myog catfood stove.Jun 25, 2009 at 10:11 am #1510380
@foundLocale: Sacramento, CA
"they probably haven't done as much research as the average BPL forum member."
I've met multiple of their staff. Realize that many of them have been living, working and breathing backpacking gear, trips and reviews for decades. They're not clueless. And they understand that ultralight is only a small market segment and not the be all and end all.Jun 25, 2009 at 10:41 am #1510385
Elliott WolinBPL Member
@ewolinLocale: Hampton Roads, Virginia
I have to agree with Jared and Ryan.
Given their typical audience, the authors did the best one can expect. Too hard-core and no one will listen.
To get their audience to move in the UL direction requires patience and a soft touch, as fears of failed equipment, cold, safety, etc. are foremost in the minds of their readers. It takes time to accept that the lighter stuff works, is safe, and lasts if taken care of.Jun 25, 2009 at 10:56 am #1510391
"They're not clueless."
Note to self: think before clicking Post Message. I'll retract my statement about level of research, but I'll stick with the rest of the comment. A pretty good article for converting heavyweighters.Jun 25, 2009 at 11:22 am #1510396
W I S N E R !BPL Member
I don't care much for the "us vs. them" debate.
Backpacker mag does what Backpacker mag does. I'd wager the people that work there know what they're doing…they're catering to their market.
It should be all about the love of the outdoors; the weight on your back has little to do with this.
If I can turn someone on to lightening their load and increasing the enjoyment of their travels, great…but let's not turn this into the Crusades. Let people find their own way- I found mine; It's half the fun.
The "us vs. them" mentality probably only serves to give SUL/UL backpacking a bad name.
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