Dec 13, 2013 at 12:58 pm #1310966
Has anyone created a one pager to explain ultralight backpacking?
I OFTEN meet people with insane 65 lb packs…
Usually when I'm flying past them…
It would be nice to have a flier we could give them so that when they get pack to civilization they could easily go over their gear and upgrade it.
It would also have URLs for various companies that sell gear as well as this website.
Any graphics designers out there?
If it's a good idea I think we could all collaborate on what should go in the handout.Dec 13, 2013 at 1:22 pm #2054001
@squarkLocale: SF Bay area
you want to give them another 7g to carry out? Just tell them to google backpacking light when they get home. If they ask. They could be perfectly happy with their current setup.Dec 13, 2013 at 1:30 pm #2054005
"They could be perfectly happy with their current setup."
If someone tried to hand me a flier to 'school' me on a 'better' way to backpack, I'd consider it a bit rude and a tad obnoxious. I'd probably offer them some helpful guidance in return, on pounding sand in unusual places….
If they ask, as Sharon said, that's a whole 'nuther animal. Happy to chat/discuss and answer questions.
Edit to add: I think the idea of such a flier is a good one – but for meet up groups dedicated to lightweight backpacking and such. I don't think it's such a great idea on the trail.Dec 13, 2013 at 1:39 pm #2054011
Peter S (masc. über linear logical club)Participant
Kevin, I do appreciate your willingness to help others, but this kind of reminds me of religious groups handing pamflets out ;-)Dec 13, 2013 at 1:46 pm #2054012
@justin_bakerLocale: Santa Rosa, CA
I would only hand them out if someone was genuinely interested in going light and asked you for information.Dec 13, 2013 at 1:47 pm #2054013
spelt with a tParticipant
@speltLocale: SW/C PA
The only way to do this and not be a narf about it is passive advertising. Get the BPL URL embroidered on your pack or something.Dec 13, 2013 at 2:41 pm #2054030
@dan_quixoteLocale: below the mountains (AK)
I think it's a great idea, but after trimming all my nails and getting a haircut before hitting the trail to cut down on total weight carried, I'm not going to carry even one extra piece of paper with me. ;)Dec 13, 2013 at 2:52 pm #2054033
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
I can't resist…
Next, people are going to tell me I need to get rid of my full size SUV :(Dec 13, 2013 at 3:19 pm #2054044
@ouzelLocale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
"I OFTEN meet people with insane 65 lb packs…"
I do, too, sometimes, on Eastern Sierra approaches like Shepherd Pass, Taboose Pass, etc. I love it because I know that when they get back to civilization they're going to spread the word that those are heinous routes best avoided by civilized folk. If I do happen to come across a backpacker carrying 65# on one of those trails and they have a smile on their face, the last thing I'm going to do is wave a piece of paper in their face. Us little guys can't afford that kind of misunderstanding. ;o]Dec 13, 2013 at 3:19 pm #2054045
@stephen-mLocale: Way up North
Just read your post on your blog, nice:-)Dec 13, 2013 at 3:39 pm #2054052
I'm with Peter, Nick and Tom, and everyone else who thinks that's a bad idea.
Great blog post Nick.Dec 13, 2013 at 6:26 pm #2054090
@rushfanLocale: Northern California
It's not bad to provide to boy scouts if you're involved with a troop. Otherwise, not sure the wisdom of bringing paper into the back country.Dec 13, 2013 at 6:49 pm #2054108
Live by example and let he who is without extra grams throw the first stone :)Dec 13, 2013 at 10:02 pm #2054144
I've been trying to stop preaching lighter weight packing as I've been guilty of this in the past. I did just go on a hiking meet up beginner hike one of the gals had borrowed a twelve pound tent I had brought extra and loaned her a zoid 1 she was a trooper though and I'm sure she could have carried the twelve pounder but it sure would have bothered me to watch itDec 13, 2013 at 10:20 pm #2054147
My wife and daughter changed their tune after some tough passes at Mt. Rainier this summer. They came home begging for lighter kits.
Sometimes it takes some altitude to change some attitude!
I want credit when you quote that :)Dec 14, 2013 at 6:38 am #2054170
Good one Dale.Dec 14, 2013 at 8:34 am #2054189
If they ask, I share. I tell them I have "hand outs" at home that I've shared with friends.
I offer my email address. 90% can't be bothered to find a pencil and piece of paper.
Of the 10% who have taken my email address, exactly Zero have followed up and asked for information.
I don't need no stinking flyer…Dec 14, 2013 at 8:37 am #2054191
Maybe we could organize a brass band and play at trailheads, passing out miniature copies of "Ultralight Backpackin' Tips" and singing "onward ultralight soldiers" and "will the tent pole be unbroken."
We could have necklaces of Spectra line with a tiny frameless pack cast in titanuim and take collections in a titanium pot— cash only though; coins would be too heavy. The donators would be greeted with, "May Ray bless you." and a sip of Kool Aid.
The ones with heavy packs don't concern me; it's the ones with cotton sweats and flip flops and not a shred of essential gear— too light!Dec 14, 2013 at 9:58 am #2054203
@leighbLocale: Northeast Texas Pineywoods
"Live by example", that's been my experience with the folks I hike with that seem to carry too much. Over the past 3 years I've noticed many of them lightening up without my preaching.
@Dale, love your last post ;-)Dec 14, 2013 at 10:02 am #2054206
@woodenwizardLocale: Greater Mt Tabor
The more people with light packs, the more crowded it will be in the deep country.
Let em be heavy.Dec 14, 2013 at 10:09 am #2054209
@rosyfinchLocale: the mountains
I say, mum's the word… the more they carry, the heavier their load, the less likely it is that I will run into them far out into the off-trail backcountry.
If fact… I wish you guys would carry heavier packs… I have some REALLY heavy old gear I will give you for that purpose :)
BillyDec 14, 2013 at 11:27 am #2054239
@millonasLocale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
I don't know Kevin. I think you might be in serious danger of getting (and possibly deserving) a wedgie handing something like that out to people on the trail. As if carrying around your "ridiculous" UL kit isn't reason enough for most folks. I say, be afraid. Be very afraid!Dec 14, 2013 at 1:36 pm #2054267
HYOH, I say. The evangelistic fervour in the lightweight "movement" is rather odd, to say the least. What that dude I meet on the trail chooses to select for his trip is none of my, or your, business. Perhaps we will chat, and perhaps the talk will drift around to gear, and what works in this region at this time of year. Maybe it won't….
The thing about preparing a pack for a trip that appeals to me is elegance – getting just the right stuff,in the right quantity, for the objective. Thus the pack may be heavy, or it may be light. Depending upon the trip, i have carried anywhere from ninety to ten pounds. I have always been attuned to information about something lighter that would work as well or better than my current gear. Before the internet, the principal source were conversations in the evening around a fire and that is still a pretty good way to communicate. Hopefully you are comfortable and well fed as you extol the virtues of the light way.
Does the One True Church have a messiah yet? How do you get to the Temple from here?Dec 14, 2013 at 2:01 pm #2054275
"They could be perfectly happy with their current setup."
Oh sure… in that situation you obviously wouldn't do anything.
But about half of the time when I tell people my pack is 7lbs they want WAY more information.
If I just had a handout then that would be easier.Dec 14, 2013 at 2:03 pm #2054276
I think that the reverse would happen…
More people would appreciate the wilderness which would mean more political pressure on conservation. … which means more parks for us :)
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