Topic
Any Enigma Reports???
Forum Posting
A Membership is required to post in the forums. Login or become a member to post in the member forums!
Home › Forums › Gear Forums › Gear (General) › Any Enigma Reports???
- This topic is empty.
-
AuthorPosts
-
Nov 6, 2013 at 12:09 pm #1309540
Just curious if anyone has some initial impressions of the new EE Enigma quilt? It's been out for a month now and I haven't seen any first hand reports on BPL other than a couple of brief comments on a pre-production model.
Nov 6, 2013 at 1:35 pm #2041879Everyone is waiting on WIDE;)
There are a few out there now but since we build most quilts to order that's a 2-3 week wait time.
-Tim
Nov 6, 2013 at 1:44 pm #2041883Thanks, Tim. I was hoping somebody picked up a regular size quilt and could give some initial feedback. I was tempted to pick up a regular size Enigma myself, but am also holding out for a wide :)
Nov 6, 2013 at 2:53 pm #2041909I've been checking the EE site twice a week waiting to see the WIDE option on the Enigma page.
Nov 6, 2013 at 3:17 pm #2041915Ill post when they are ready. The cutting shop has them and said by early next week but well see.
I won't have the SLIM yet but a slightly updated set of REG and WIDE in all 3 lengths.
I'm considering adding a 64" XWIDE what do you guys think? I also considered optional full zippers on WIDE and XWIDE but that's getting pretty Zpacks. I have done the full zippers as custom but it seem like in sub zero temps a 64" sleeping bag would be nice to me. I just don't want to step on toes too much
-Tim
Nov 6, 2013 at 4:09 pm #2041934Tim, I have no problem wearing a MB UL parka with the 58" wide in the Rev, and I'm 5' 10", 190 lbs, so not a small guy, but I guess I could see where someone larger might like the 64". As for me, it's about shaving ounces, so while I'd like the extra width, I wouldn't want the weight penalty over my 10D/10D Rev.
As for the zipper – Who cares about stepping on toes, the free market and competition is what drives innovation. Do some more customer research and if you think there's a market for it . . . Personally, I think a zipper defeats the function of a quilt, but then again I don't Winter camp much.
Nov 6, 2013 at 4:17 pm #2041936As a big and tall guy myself I vote for an XWIDE option
Nov 6, 2013 at 4:26 pm #2041941Another vote for an XWIDE option!
Nov 6, 2013 at 4:29 pm #2041942Art,
I personally would only use a zippered quilt (can't say those evil words) when sleeping on the ground bellow zero F. Here in MN I actually might get some use from something like that.
Otherwise it would just be for customers who are on the fence. They can buy the sleeping bag but try it as a quilt. Then they'll buy quilts after that:). It would still have buckles and straps for sure.
It would also be a good way to expand my market. As much as I like you guys our business has grown past what this community alone can support. We need more exposure and a sleeping bag may help us reach a little wider while still keeping the weight way down and helping the more mainstream crowd get some exposure to true ultralight products. Sleeping bags/quilts are an area even a heavy hiker can convert without sacrificing the comfort he lugs that big pack around to have. Getting him to swap his 3# bag for a 1-1.5# quilt or bag saves him weight without forcing him to give up bombproof packs dry tents and warm food (his fears). You can ease them into it. None of my friends, staff or partners are UL but they all use quilts because they're more comfortable. This is probably my next target market.
-Tim
Nov 6, 2013 at 4:32 pm #2041944No zipper and no X-wide for me, but offering more options that are workable from a production standpoint seems like good business. And I agree with the above poster that nobody has a "copyright" on zippers.
Nov 6, 2013 at 8:55 pm #2042044A "full length" zipper is nothing like a Z-Pack.
If you sewed it up half way and zipped the top, it would be, but a full length would be one sweet option.
Nov 6, 2013 at 9:17 pm #2042050AnonymousInactiveWouldn't a full zip quilt just essentially be a sleeping bag?
Nov 6, 2013 at 10:54 pm #2042068Sadly yes. ;(
Some people still like them I hear, but its a bummer
-Tim
Nov 6, 2013 at 11:06 pm #2042069"As a big and tall guy myself I vote for an XWIDE option"
+100
It's a tough world for us Godzilla sized hikers who have to share our passion with these crack skinny shrimps. I can stand to drop a (ahem) few lbs but diet will never change the fact that I'm a side sleeper who has >sixty something inch shoulder girth. Love my ULSS#3 but I'd prefer to give my money to a U.S. made product and company. Alas I can't find a quilt that will work for me so I'm stuck with fart sacks as my only option.
Nov 6, 2013 at 11:14 pm #2042071I'm set on the XWIDE at this point. Took no time at all to convince me they'd more than cover the template cost the first day.
Now just need to go back to drawing dxf in sketchup (what a joke huh)
-Tim
Nov 6, 2013 at 11:22 pm #2042072XWIDE indeed! Glad to hear you are veering towards that option.
Nov 7, 2013 at 5:03 am #2042090While your reputation already had me sold, top that with an extra wide and some good karma… It will take me a couple of months but if you build the extra wide, I'll have me one.
Good karma watching out for your competitors. I prefer buying from conscientious independents. It helps my karma. Actually though, putting a zipper on a quilt isn't exclusive and was probably the precursor to sleeping bags.
If you want to hit the heavy weight crowd, build a heavy weight quilt. A lot of folks dislike zippers. I like sticking my feet out. It helps to regulate heat. Zippers are rough.
that said, some do like zippers and as an option it makes sense. Make some zippered shells. quasi sleeping bags.
When I bought my mummy, I searched all over for a lightweight bag I could open up. There weren't any. No quilts. For increasing your market, it's all about awareness. Once folks know they have the option of a quilt, they will come. If you increase your market, ZPacks market should increase as well. It isn't about stepping on toes, it's about expanding the market. Going mainstream.
Just don't get too big, I'd have to go somewhere else.Nov 7, 2013 at 6:04 am #2042101I know that the discussion is now on an XWide-model, but I want to launch even another idea: what about a 2-person model ?
Nov 7, 2013 at 6:39 am #2042108I agree that its less about adding a zipper as it is about market awareness. I just do t know how to create more awareness at this point.
As to double quilts, I'm all over it. I won't be doing a double like Zpacks or Nunatak but I have a modular convertible design in the works. Well see how long it takes to develop.
-Tim
Nov 7, 2013 at 6:44 am #2042111That sounds even better if that would mean that you can adapt it for both 1-person or 2-person needs when required.?
Nov 7, 2013 at 6:55 am #2042118We'll see:)
-Tim
Nov 7, 2013 at 10:25 am #2042198Tim, with only an oz. difference in the regular and long sizes for the Enigma's, are you going to offer a in-between size? Is it even worth carrying? Also, I sleep on my side mostly, semi-fetal position, I guess the 5'11", regular width otta work for me at my 6' height, 160 lbs.. Hmm? Still sitting on the fence between yours and brand "X". :) Shipping is extra I believe for your quilts. Thank you for filling us all in on news about your quilts.
Duane
Width of instock Enigmas?Nov 7, 2013 at 10:33 am #2042201Duane,
All Ready to ship Enigmas are Reg or Long
I won't do 3" height increments. That's too many templates to deal with
If you're over 5'11" get the long in the Enigma. The revelation series footbox can fit above my rating as its flexible but the enigma 5'11" fits only to 5'11".
-Tim
Nov 8, 2013 at 2:17 am #2042474My Enigma 20 is scheduled for delivery tomorrow (actually today as I'm up late with 2 sick kidos). I'll be glad to give a little looksy over for anyone interested. Might be able to do a mini review in the house. Won't have any backcountry time until the first weekend of December when it's hitting the trail in Colorado for some snow shoeing. I'm hoping to push it's limits.
My other quilts include a Nunatak Arc Expedition and a Golite 1+ season.Nov 8, 2013 at 5:47 am #2042488I forgot to ask, does the listed weight include all the straps, stuff sack etc.? I'm focused on the listed weight in the chart. (Almost a 9 oz. savings over my WM Caribou bag), summer use. :(
Duane -
AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
Forum Posting
A Membership is required to post in the forums. Login or become a member to post in the member forums!
Our Community Posts are Moderated
Backpacking Light community posts are moderated and here to foster helpful and positive discussions about lightweight backpacking. Please be mindful of our values and boundaries and review our Community Guidelines prior to posting.
Get the Newsletter
Gear Research & Discovery Tools
- Browse our curated Gear Shop
- See the latest Gear Deals and Sales
- Our Recommendations
- Search for Gear on Sale with the Gear Finder
- Used Gear Swap
- Member Gear Reviews and BPL Gear Review Articles
- Browse by Gear Type or Brand.