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    James holden
    BPL Member

    @bearbreeder-2

    http://www.backpacker.com/prof_hike_beginner_mistakes/skills/14472

    6. Going ultra-light without ultra-experience
    A regular backpacker going ultra-light is like a vegetarian becoming a vegan—it takes time to dial down a new, safe system. Definitions vary, but ultra-light hiking generally means having a base pack weight (your gear minus food and water) of 10 to 12 pounds. The advantage, of course, is that you have less weight to schlep, but your safety net also shrinks: You have fewer backup provisions (food, fuel, warm clothes) if things go wrong, like you fall in a river or rodents steal your food.

    The more backcountry experience you have, the more safely you can go ultra-light simply because you’re better equipped with skills to, one, avoid such mishaps and, two, improvise if they do occur. However, even expert mountaineers can pay the ultralight price. Think of Joe Simpson of Touching the Void fame: During his and his partner’s ascent of Siula Grande in the Andes, bad weather prolonged their climb, causing them to run out of fuel for melting snow for water—something that later would contribute to Simpson’s fall into a crevasse.

    That’s why ultra-light hiking should be a gradual goal and not a first-time objective. Reducing pack weight is a skill you hone after much experimentation. So how much weight should you carry on a typical day-hike? Is it 10, 15, or 20 pounds? It all depends on the circumstances. If you’re hiking a dozen miles alone on a mellow trail, you can carry a sub-10 pound load of water, snacks, rain gear, headlamp, and the always essential map, compass or GPS. But if the trail is unfamiliar, tricky, or remote, and you’re hiking in a larger group, you might want to add a small first-aid kit, warm clothing, and extra water and food that pushes your weight north of 15 pounds. That’s because carrying more gear—along with the skills to use it—is your best strategy to reduce risk.

    more at link

    ;)

    #2028236
    Sharon J.
    BPL Member

    @squark

    Locale: SF Bay area

    That actually sounds quite reasonable to me. Why all the discussions here about how to get a taut pitch if a tiny cuben tarp was the best choice for anyone, etc.

    #2028251
    Paul Wagner
    BPL Member

    @balzaccom

    Locale: Wine Country

    Top ten Noob blunders?

    Not taking enough water. Not taking enough food. Not taking enough clothing—particularly on top of a peak.

    Not believing the signs that say "Stay out of the water–the rocks are slippery, and you won't get a second chance to make a stupid mistake."

    Compared to those, using a Walmart tent or taking too large a first aid kit are way down on the list.

    #2028258
    Bob Gross
    BPL Member

    @b-g-2-2

    Locale: Silicon Valley

    "Top ten Noob blunders? "

    One person, who was complaining of a super heavy pack, was carrying a 6-pound bag of toiletries and cosmetics.

    One person, who was impossibly slow on the trail, admitted to having been fasting for three days before the trip.

    One person, who was having a difficult time on a supported trek up Kilimanjaro, admitted that it was the first time to have slept in a tent outdoors.

    Geez! What were these people thinking?

    –B.G.–

    #2030993
    Ian
    BPL Member

    @10-7

    "Not taking enough water. Not taking enough food. Not taking enough clothing—particularly on top of a peak."

    I think that's true of day hikers. My experience has been that a lot of backpackers take too much food in the beginning and then later learn how much is just enough.

    #2030998
    spelt with a t
    BPL Member

    @spelt

    Locale: Rangeley, ME

    I have been on both ends of that scale. Taking a picnic feast for an XC ski day trip and taking nought but a water bottle and windbreaker in the summer on the same loop. As with everything else, it's situational.

    #2031005
    Ken Thompson
    BPL Member

    @here

    Locale: Right there

    Why regurgitate this crap from that crap publication from two years ago?

    Why does Eric never post these things in On the Web?

    Why does Eric post these at all?

    Why, why, why….

    #2031025
    David Ure
    Member

    @familyguy

    Why does Eric never backpack?

    Why does he continue to throw jabs at ultralight backpackers on an ultralight backpacking forum?

    Why does he hate Marmot?

    Why, why, why….

    #2031031
    Aaron
    BPL Member

    @aaronufl

    He must have a lot of time to surf the internet and post on his phone while belaying.

    ;)

    #2031046
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    "He must have a lot of time to surf the internet and post on his phone while belaying."

    Eric's not doing much belaying these days, so this makes for a nice break from sitting all alone in his closet, fondling all his shiny new gear. ;0)

    #2031788
    Steven Hanlon
    BPL Member

    @asciibaron

    Locale: Mid Atlantic

    i took my girlfriend to Dolly Sods, WV back in August. it was an interesting trip. i had hoped to cover 10-12 miles each day. we covered about 4.5 miles the first day, with me carrying her pack for the last mile or so. the next day was 4.5 back to the car and it easier with less water…

    i knew what was in her pack, i watched her pack it. i tried to talk her out of carrying 128 ounces of water, but she refused. it impacted the trip in a very negative way. a year before we went on an overnighter on the AT and she carried too much water.

    i found out on the car ride home from Dolly Sods that it was her 2nd time backpacking… she was embarrassed and nervous to tell me since i'm such a seasoned pro.

    blunders happen for all sorts of reasons, i never thought i would be in part the cause.

    we're working on overcoming her fears – the new approach is for us to hike in and setup a base camp and then do some day hikes until she feels more comfortable in the wild.

    btw, her sleeping bag weighs 6 pounds.

    #2034470
    M B
    BPL Member

    @livingontheroad

    B.S.

    Id say the top mistake beginning HIKERS make is bringing too much stuff, and things that are too heavy and poorly made (i.e. cheap crap)

    General b.s. misconception about UL. Anyone can be UL today just by buying $$ lighter gear and leaving the crap thats not needed at home. UL doesnt forego anything you need. And being an ultraheavy stupid beginner doesnt insure that you have anything you need either.

    No experience necessary.

    #2034476
    Justin Baker
    BPL Member

    @justin_baker

    Locale: Santa Rosa, CA

    I totally agree. For example, you can buy an easy to set up, fully enclosed shelter that is way lighter than a dome tent instead of a more complicated to set up flat tarp.

    #2034479
    Billy Ray
    Spectator

    @rosyfinch

    Locale: the mountains

    on my first backpack… couple of centuries ago..

    two of us… took a 2 pound box of C&H sugar !!!! lol
    I think we tossed that the second day…

    Bill D

    #2034481
    David Thomas
    BPL Member

    @davidinkenai

    Locale: North Woods. Far North.

    >"ultra-light hiking should be a gradual goal "

    +1

    Because I counted while I was in Scouts and it wasn't so many years after, I can pretty accurately estimate that it was after 150 nights of camping and backpacking that I started to go UL. 29 pounds including food and fuel for 9 days was pretty dang UL for 1983 (but other guys were more extreme). Ray Jardine wasn't quite so much the pioneer in the late 1990's he imagines himself to be.

    And we all gained our skills over time.

    #2036594
    Greg F
    BPL Member

    @gregf

    Locale: Canadian Rockies

    I fundementally disagree with this statement.

    You can now easily hike with all of the comforts and safety factors that every higher weight hiker does at a base weight of 12lbs maybe lighter. Doesnt even cost more other than the down bag and if you want a UL inflatable pad.

    It takes some experience to push that down lower but even then not too much.

    #2036687
    David Thomas
    BPL Member

    @davidinkenai

    Locale: North Woods. Far North.

    Rereading this again, I'll back off a little bit. I agree that you can jump on the UL bandwagon more quickly and easily than ever before. One doesn't have to be the slow learner I was.

    Partly it is who you fall in with. If your first trips are with ULers and you start with that mindset, you don't have to unlearn so many bad habits. Whereas if you start on Scout trips or with some ex-military guys where half your body weight is the norm, it often takes time to reset your expectations.

    There are ways I eat into safety margins (reasonably I think) because of hundreds of nights of experience. I suspect lots of us do.

    Would you send a newbie out with as little, delicate gear, as you use yourself? I'd send a newbie out with slightly more fuel, food, and not my most fragile gear.

    #2036699
    Jerry Adams
    BPL Member

    @retiredjerry

    Locale: Oregon and Washington

    Maybe the reason some of us oldsters took a long time to go ultra-light is that ultra-light didn't exist until relatively recently

    You don't need to start with heavy pack, tent, sleeping bag, boots,… to get experience before getting light ones

    Maybe you need some experience before doing some "crazy light" things like using a small tarp in bad weather.

    #2036777
    Nick Gatel
    BPL Member

    @ngatel

    Locale: Southern California

    "ultra-light didn't exist until relatively recently"

    What is relative recently?

    #2036780
    Ken Thompson
    BPL Member

    @here

    Locale: Right there

    What is relative recently?

    50 years? relatively speaking.

    #2036865
    Jerry Adams
    BPL Member

    @retiredjerry

    Locale: Oregon and Washington

    "What is relative recently?

    50 years? relatively speaking."

    Ray Jardine came out with "Beyond Backpacking" in 1999

    I replaced my 5 pound tent with a 3 pound tent before that and experimented with just using the fly. The grandma that did the AT was much before that. etc. but that's not as popular until after Jardine's book.

    #2036918
    Nick Gatel
    BPL Member

    @ngatel

    Locale: Southern California

    Some people were UL in the 70's and 80's and probably before. Backpacker had an UL article in the 80's. Colin Fletcher wrote about in the 80's in The Complete Walker III, calling it the New Wave. Jardine was late to the party but got credit and shekels ;)

    #2036946
    Bob Gross
    BPL Member

    @b-g-2-2

    Locale: Silicon Valley

    "Backpacker had an UL article in the 80's. "

    1982. That was a starting point for a lot of us.

    –B.G.–

    #2037134
    Dena Kelley
    BPL Member

    @eagleriverdee

    Locale: Eagle River, Alaska

    "What is relative recently?

    50 years? relatively speaking."

    ======

    Research George W. Sears, AKA "Nessmuk". He was doing ultralight in the 1800's, and writing about it.

    #2037670
    Desert Dweller
    Member

    @drusilla

    Locale: Wild Wild West

    Oldest ultralighter

    These people were the original ULtra lighters! You can bet they only carried what they needed.

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