Mar 21, 2013 at 8:34 am #1300725
for my DIY project please advise on Hilleberg thread thickness on various tents:
is it the s a m e thickness on all models or not?
Even on the Kerlon XP versions and 3-season tents?Mar 21, 2013 at 8:42 am #1968144
@lotuseaterLocale: Colorado Foothills
I'd be surprised if anyone here owns or has owned sufficient Hillebergs concurrently to answer your question. Have you tried calling Hilleberg USA directly at 425.883.0101 or 866.848.8368 or email them at Tentmaker@hilleberg.com to ask them? I've found customer service to be very helpful indeed.Mar 21, 2013 at 9:20 am #1968167
I have contacted earlier Hilly (Petra) and get a generic advise to use seam sealer.
Sorry, but I want it to be waterproofed with no seam sealer and do it as a Pro with an industrial double needle/needle feeding sewing machine with seam folder… (I actually want to buy a used Unna and add a porch on one of the sides and repair if needed, for bikepacking)
I have only stuff sack in Kerlon XP. I had actually ordered SilNylon verson to have thread sample and spare fabric for repairs(!), but (bloody) merchandiser have send the wrong version to me.
Here at this forum is a few folks who have in possession 2-3-4 Hilly's simultaneously(!), this is why I am annoying here :)Mar 21, 2013 at 12:54 pm #1968251
@stephen-mLocale: Way up North
Wow, what a unuque question.Mar 21, 2013 at 1:21 pm #1968263
Unless I'm missing something, no matter how much of a professional job is done, a needle is still passing through the fabric creating tiny holes where water can seep through regardless of what thread and seam techniques are used.
I'm unaware of any tent on the market constructed with needle and thread that does not require seam sealing, whether it be taping or spreading a sealer over the seam.Mar 21, 2013 at 2:42 pm #1968289
"I'm unaware of any tent on the market constructed with needle and thread that does not require seam sealing, whether it be taping or spreading a sealer over the seam."
You usually don't need to seal Hillebergs and a couple others too I think. The only tent I actually had to seal was a Golite single wall. All other sil based tents I own held up very well in heavy rains without sealing.
I think I remember reading something about using cotton in the thread which gets thicker if it gets wet (same idea as with these old cotton canvas tents). But even if you do your best there might still be situations in which seam sealing becomes required and I don't think anything is wrong with seam sealing.Mar 21, 2013 at 2:59 pm #1968293
Correct, you do not need to seam seal Hillebergs by way of how they sew the fabric.Mar 21, 2013 at 3:02 pm #1968295
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@ben2worldLocale: So Cal
5 posts thus far… pray tell, what is "survice"?? :)Mar 21, 2013 at 3:22 pm #1968301
If you are after a Unna with a vestibule why not the Soulo ?Mar 21, 2013 at 4:32 pm #1968335
Survice is Sure Advice.
Where else would you go but BPL if you wanted that?Mar 21, 2013 at 5:54 pm #1968364
@vigilguyLocale: Northern Utah
"(I actually want to buy a used Unna and add a porch on one of the sides and repair if needed, for bikepacking)"
I believe Hilleberg made this model ( the Niak) years ago, and has since been discontinued.
If you can find one, it may save you some time and effort.Mar 21, 2013 at 7:40 pm #1968392
@fluffinreach-comLocale: no. california
i think, as an owner of two Hillebergs, that it does not need so much of a porch, as of a window.
as for thread, if we get something decent, it will not matter as to the optimal'ness of it. after you lay down a seam or two, it's going to be stronger than the fabric anyway. seam sealing with mcnett locks the threads into place, and this may keep things from coming undone under duress.
v.Mar 22, 2013 at 2:51 am #1968450
I am actually have no complaints about Hilly's service, zero. Petra has given an answer which is correct for 99.99999% customers/cases. Also answering about thread thickness is a nightmare for anyone as it varies tremendously depending on what brand you use. As I understand such things I just don't wanted to annoy her anymore, for respect.
as for Niak with 2.8kg and Kerlon 1800 it was overbuild and under-designed.
When they redesigned it into Unna they got just an outstanding tent, kudos for Hilly.
What I want is an Unna with zippered 'pleat' at the rear side to accommodate folding 20-24'' mountain bike. This pleat can be zipped when this porch is not needed keeping proper structural integrity by tensioning rare wall between poles, and bike can be removed through under rare panel after unpegging it. This will not spoil this outstanding tent.
BTW non seam sealed waterproofed seams are by far not a rocket science and used by at least three other manufacturers (in the same price range but by far not that well designed at all).Mar 23, 2013 at 3:19 am #1968766
cat in the grass,
I currently own 5 hillebergs and they all use the same size thread on the kerlon 1200 and kerlon 1800. I havnt seen any of the newer lightweight kerlon 1000 yet.
Sorry I dont know what size you would call it, but I have had all 5 of them in driving rain and none have leakedMar 23, 2013 at 6:38 am #1968777
Thank You very much, Ken!Mar 23, 2013 at 7:00 am #1968780
@ktimmLocale: Colorado (SeekOutside)
We don't recommend seam sealing on our tents either. Thus far, neither us or customers have had much issue.Mar 23, 2013 at 7:29 am #1968782
Yeah, but as you can see the point of this thread is not a question 'seam seal or not to seam seal' (this s_o_l_e_l_y depends on seam type + thread type, that's it), it is a thread sickness on different tent models of the mentioned manufacturer. Thanks everybody for the input, anyway!
Maybe someone has tent in Kerlon SP and answer here too (little chances though)…Mar 23, 2013 at 2:10 pm #1968849
it is a thread sickness
yes , to remain water tight the seams need to be fully sick.Mar 23, 2013 at 3:08 pm #1968858
"yes , to remain water tight the seams need to be fully sick."
Doesn't it get thinner if it vomits a lot and wouldn't that be bad for the waterproofness?Mar 23, 2013 at 3:47 pm #1968869
fully sick is what you elderly folk refer to as "high quality"Mar 24, 2013 at 5:40 am #1968980
My post above is all about it is pretty hard to keep on the course with an english as a foreign, esp. without provoking trolling over typos and astenic selfpromotion…Apr 4, 2013 at 3:06 am #1972677
When I have tried to test seams for waterproofness… I got a massive leakage through fabric itself, everywhere of the stuff sack, with a water level inside just 5cm.
It is hard to believe, but Kerlon SP fabric had HH=0.00m. Virtually.
An area 3cm wide along the seam was leaking so hard as it was rubbed with a sand paper.
So I can not test seams as they are leaking heavily due to absence of fabric's sealing ability around the thread and needle holes.
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