Mar 9, 2013 at 3:13 pm #1300243
A place for you to pick a nuanced issue in light weight backpacking that you just "don't get" and have people that "get it" offer some perspective. No trick/cynical/rhetorical questions or "my way is better than your way" or "you're doing it all wrong" type thing. Just honest questions and concerns about something that you don't do or use and a chance to learn from those that do–maybe change your mind about something and end up improving your backpacking experience, who knows?
I recently saw a thread on one water resistant mitt vs. another (Zpacks WPB vs. MLD eVent) and after skimming the thread realized this was something I really don't get. I have never used them, in fairness, but have never felt the need.
When it rains, I don't care if my hands get wet, and I don't see the big deal. In the summer, they don't get cold from being wet because, well, it's summer and warm. In the spring/fall my hands rarely get cold and wet because either I am hiking (and hence, blood is pumping, and I'm warm) or if I am at camp I am under my shelter for the night (and hence fairly dry). Also in the spring/fall I usually wear a pair of thin wool or alpaca gloves to keep my hands warm, and when they get wet, they still keep my hands warm–not as warm when dry, obviously, but warm enough.
In the winter I wear synth or wool liners and either leather or wool over gloves, and they don't get wet often. Though there have been times in the winter that both my gloves got soaked (e.g. two months ago, slipped while walking over a small frozen stream and the ice broke). But my hands were still warm enough, and eventually dried out as I hiked and I was fine.
Plus, in climbing around on rocks or holding on to trees as is done when out in nature at times, or if you slip and/or fall (which is more likely when it is raining and slick, after all) wouldn't it be more likely for over mitts to get damaged or worn out? And when you need to blow your nose or use the bathroom or something where you need/want to take off your gloves/mitts, your hands are going to get at least a little wet eventually, right?
I live in an area that gets a fair amount if not a lot of rain, and have done plenty of trips out in the rain during all 4 seasons, and can't remember a time when my hands were wet and/or cold enough for me to wish I had a pair of water resistant over mitts. Maybe it's because I don't use hiking poles? Do I just have good circulation? Or what am I missing here?Mar 9, 2013 at 3:57 pm #1963580
I don't get windshirts. So many people seem to LOVE them, but I've never felt that I needed a windshirt where a power stretch fleece or rain jacket couldn't suffice. I know they're very light, but I've been fine without one, so why add another piece of gear?
Are they really that awesome?Mar 9, 2013 at 4:06 pm #1963583
I will bring a spare windshirt for you to try on the Pictured Rocks trip if you like.
If your hiking in a forest where wind is not a big issue a wind shirt maybe a moot point, but if your on a windy open mountain then its your best buddy.Mar 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm #1963584
Ahhh, I see what dirty tricks you are up to, Stephen. You're just trying to get me to spend more money. ;)
Sure! I'll give it a go!Mar 9, 2013 at 4:16 pm #1963585
Would you, like dark blue, light blue, red or green.
Oh, hood or no hood?Mar 9, 2013 at 5:07 pm #1963604
Lol. Got a houdini?
No opinion on color. Hood please!Mar 9, 2013 at 5:17 pm #1963609
I do indeed have Houdiini, have yet to use it in anger yet as have been wearing Paramo all winter.Mar 9, 2013 at 5:19 pm #1963611
Ah, Paramo! That I wouldn't mind trying…Mar 9, 2013 at 5:23 pm #1963614
I will bring that along for a look see as well.
My wife said she would come on the Pictured Rocks trip, with one caveat, will ping you on the other thread.Mar 9, 2013 at 5:34 pm #1963622
I'm with you. The only time my hands were cold from rain, I just pulled the arms of my DriDucks over them. Maybe I need to hike in cold blowing rain more?
You're making me really regret not being able to make that trip. :P I've also used my DriDucks for those windy passes. It's worked fine so far but I don't have a lot of experience yet.Mar 9, 2013 at 5:53 pm #1963637
That's a shame you cannot make it Michael,
I have seen Dri ducks in Walmart but have yet to try them out, must do sometime.Mar 9, 2013 at 6:05 pm #1963645
Different strokes for different folks. Nothing I like better for keeping hands warm in a driving 33 degree rain than a pair of myog fleece mittens (1.2 oz, XL) covered with myog wpb mitts (1 oz, XL). I do use trekking poles, so that may be part of it. When they wear out, I'll make another pair.
Without them, I've had hands get cold enough that it mattered, even while hiking vigorously. It's not a mistake I'll make twice.
I didn't really "get" windshirts either, until I took a 2 oz myog tyvek windshirt (just cut from a tyvek suit) on an extended trip. Was it necessary? Probably not, but I found myself using it multiple times every day. After that, I bought a real windshirt. Perhaps it's a luxury/convenience item, but it's a couple of ounces that get a lot of use.
BillMar 9, 2013 at 6:25 pm #1963659
As a runner, I get windshirts. One of the best pieces of gear out there. Small and light enough to tie around the waist or stuff in your shorts, yet fully functional for aerobic stuff in cold weather. I've had my Houdini and others down to 20 degrees with nothing but a t-shirt and arm sleeves underneath.
Perhaps they don't make sense to some in the context of backpacking when you have a rain shell and other insulation at your disposal, but when you're trying to keep your whole kit to a pound or less and ultra compact for a long run, they shine.
What I don't get is how many people are "not getting" mitts and windshirts, while we've got people here that are content peeing in the bottles and pots they eat or drink out of.
Just Say No to peeing in your dinnerware!Mar 9, 2013 at 6:42 pm #1963667
@justin_bakerLocale: Santa Rosa, CA
Windshirts block wind and are more breathable (which means that you will be dryer) than a rain jacket. What's so complicated about that?Mar 9, 2013 at 7:37 pm #1963692
One of the tenants of lightweight backpacking is utilizing multiple use gear. A raincoat can block wind, therefore it has multiple uses. A windshirt cannot be used as a rain jacket.
The concept of where and why a rain jacket is useful isn't complicated, but when I can keep wind off me adequately with gear I already carry, a windshirt seems less useful to me.
That being said, I'm willing to see what I may be missing.Mar 9, 2013 at 7:53 pm #1963697
My wind proof is never in my pack as I am always wearing so does not effect my base weight, and I see skin out weight as anal retentive.
If its raining I wear both.Mar 9, 2013 at 7:58 pm #1963698
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@justin_bakerLocale: Santa Rosa, CA
That's a very good point Travis, but the extra breathability is well worth the weight, especially in shoulder seasons where staying dry is much more important.
It might mean the difference between having a hiking layer that is dry enough to sleep in and having a layer that is too damp to sleep in.Mar 9, 2013 at 8:38 pm #1963709
I guess that's why I need to try one! Apparently I'm missing something (I mean that seriously).Mar 9, 2013 at 8:41 pm #1963712
Remind me the day before the Pictured Rocks trip and I will bring one along for you to try out.Mar 9, 2013 at 8:52 pm #1963715
@awsorensenLocale: South of Forester Pass
Is this a windshirt thread?
I don't like trolls and how so many threads that start off interesting end up going off on tangents.Mar 9, 2013 at 8:55 pm #1963716
What was trolled?Mar 9, 2013 at 8:58 pm #1963717
@awsorensenLocale: South of Forester Pass
What I don't get…
I just don't understand why everybody brings sooo much crap with them when they go backpacking.
Even light is not really light on this site. The average backpack from trips on this site on a 3 day trip probably weighs 28 pounds or so?
Why do people need to bring their bed and kitchen sink with them?
I thought roughing it was a good thing when heading out on a trip?
I don't get it.Mar 9, 2013 at 8:58 pm #1963718
I thought trolls lived under bridges.Mar 9, 2013 at 9:21 pm #1963729
We bring a pad to sleep on, and a stove and pot to cook on.
Sleeping on 20f bare ground and lighting a fire at 12000ft can be a bit dicey.
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