PCT tarp question

[Martin M. Clark]

I currently have a 6 x 10 tarp and plan on hiking the PCT this summer with my girlfriend. We've comfortably slept under the tarp in mild conditions with the tarp pitched high, but am wondering whether or not we could make it work for stormy pitches.

I was considering either an 8 x 10 or the canopy tarp from bear paw if this wouldn't work. Then I Noticed that on the bear paw site that the canopy 2 tent has a width of 6 feet, and it seems huge. Am i missing something?

Should I save the extra hundred bucks and use my existing tarp?

PS we dont' mind sleeping close! (maybe not when we smell like filth after a few weeks on trail).

Thanks to the community for its INFINITE wisdom!

[Jeff Jeff]

You'll rarely pitch it, but when you do, it's because you need protection. 6×10 wouldn't be enough for two, at least if I were sleeping in there.

[Nick Gatel]

8 X 10

[Nelson Sherry]

+1 on the 8×10

Not much extra weight. Lots of extra protection and useful pitch flexibility . . . of course, if you're both <6' tall and <150 lbs and serious cuddlers and don't mind getting wet and cold sometimes . . . what the heck? Actually, a 6×10 is still long enough to make a pretty good pyramid, and wide enough, that if you rigged some kind of an extra sheet/curtain to cover the opening to reduce blown in rain, you might get along pretty well in your 4×7 sleeping space . . . assuming you don't get into one of the long rainy weeks from hell that are so common in the northwest. I'd sure as heck do lots of experimenting with pitching, and working inside the pitch, before I committed to a tarp that small for two.

Hmm, two (or less) extra ounces split between two people to double the usable under-tarp area . . .

You could always pick up a bigger tarp for more protection later in the fall as the weather turns in the NW if you are going south to north. Then you wouldn't have to carry the extra ounce the whole 2650 mi.

[Martin M. Clark]

for being a cheap bastard and trying to forgo the purchase of another tarp. Thanks to you guys for the excellent advice. I really appreciate it.

I'd really like to get my hands on a spinn twinn as I feel like it'd be the ideal shelter for the PCT, but spinnaker tarps are hard to come by. I'll likely settle on a standard 8 x 10 tarp from bear paw wilderness designs.

I recently acquired this custom shangrila inner tent and am excited to try and get a tarp that will work with it for

http://www.bearpawwd.com/custom/custom_images/shangrila2inner_3.jpg

I really hope that an 8 x 10 works.

[Steven McAllister]

I have used a 10×10 over shangri-la-2 inner net. I would think an 8×10 would work fine over a Shangri-la-1 inner net.

Also consider cuben material.

Although I have, and am happy with spinnaker tarps, I can tell they aren't as durable as my cuben tarp.

There a few different grades of cuben. I would avoid the really light stuff if you want durability, but others have been happy with it if they are careful.

I have come accustomed to the advantages of cuben. Not only is it lighter and stronger than silnylon, it doesn't sag when wet or when temps drop. Cuben sheds water much better than silnylon as well.

[Brian Lewis]

What's your strategy for handling bugs? Until you get to northern OR or WA state, the PCT is overall a pretty dry trail. I just carried a poncho tarp for the first 700 miles, and after that most of the time what I wanted from my tent was bug protection.

If you're comfortable (or at least willing to be) sleeping with just a headnet when they're swarming, then no worries. If not (I'm not), then you might find that a tarp plus an inner net tent isn't superior to a tarptent (with mesh).

What's your plan if one of you can't or doesn't want to continue at some point? If you have a blood oath to hike together or quit together then no worries, but otherwise I suggest that you each pack to be independent (separate solo shelters). This can help too if you just want to take a couple of days off from each other along the way. That might not seem appealing (or even acceptable) now, but your sense of what's normal could change on the journey.

I think that for the PCT, something like a Henry Shires tarptent, or an SMD Wild Oasis are about right — something light and decently weather proof that creates an enclosed bug-free space.

[Steven McAllister]

Although I do agree with Brian's logic and I do in fact own a tarptent, I find the tarp/bugnet to be more flexible.

The tarptent style shelters are great for their simplicity, but the tarp/bugnet combination can be pitched in more locations and you can just pitch the bugnet in the summer heat if the bugs are out and you want more ventilation.

Sometimes it is nice to be able to pitch the tarp high and open in a light rain. And feel almost like your cowboy camping.

[Eric Blumensaadt]

I'd look very closely at the Tarptent Stratospire 2.

> It IS a tarp with a floored bugnet – thus it has a lot of pitching options.

> the SS2 has a lot of useable room compared to any pyramid-style tent.

> the SS2's USEABLE space-to-weight ratio is great, likely the best in any 2P silnylon tent.

> As the owner of 3 Tarptents over the years I can say they are top quality.

[Herbert Sitz]

"I recently acquired this custom shangrila inner tent and am excited to try and get a tarp that will work with it for

http://www.bearpawwd.com/custom/custom_images/shangrila2inner_3.jpg&quot;

Just curious, how much does that inner weigh?

[Martin M. Clark]

The inner weights around 14oz. It's an EXTREMELY light 2 person bug shelter, I really like it a lot. It has perimeter linelocs that work nicely with the shangri la 2. I Also think its a perfect bug shelter for a tarp for the PCT. Only downside I see to this setup is that it relies on a mesh floor instead of tyvek or silnylon.

[Steven McAllister]

Regarding the mesh floor on your custom bugnet. Just lay a sheet of polycryo (storm window treatment) under your bugnet.

This will block moisture, mud, dust, sand, … and will keep your mesh from getting frozen to the ground in ice or snow.

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