Dec 17, 2012 at 6:14 am #1297130
@dipinkLocale: Western Washington
I was wondering, do folks carry any sort of shelter while hiking in late fall/early winter in the Olympics or Cascades, that they are in the habit of putting up for a break while they eat lunch or brew up hot drinks?
I'm taking a poll. I commonly carry an MSR e-wing tarp as my emergency shelter, but I'm not in the habit of putting it up, and I think there are lighter options out there (I've had this for a while, found it on sale).
I would really appreciate fast-pitch suggestions. Something easy to put up and take down. I am not an experienced tarp camper.Dec 17, 2012 at 6:35 am #1935983
Diane do you use trekking poles? even though you're not an experienced tarp camper, a little practice in the backyard and you'd be surprised :)
going to be tough to beat a tarp for weight and volume, MLD's "dog" tarp comes to mind for a small, light shelter for day useDec 17, 2012 at 7:00 am #1935987
by the time youve set it up … your tea is already brewed with a jetboil ;)
so unless youre stopping for a decent amount of time its not worth it IMO
if you do perchance want to set one up … remember to stuff it on the outside of the pack … with rain heavy enough to warrant its use, the tarp and its lines will be quite wet, enough so that trying ti get it back in its stuff sack and inside your pack will just get your even wetter negating its purpose somewhat …
the brits use Bothies which are supposedly quick and easy … but i dont think you want to be cooking in one =PDec 17, 2012 at 7:01 am #1935988
darn BPL funky softwareDec 17, 2012 at 7:10 am #1935992
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
+1 eric – not worth putting up and down when day hiking
sometimes I find a sheltered spot under a tree or rock
you could use an umbrellaDec 17, 2012 at 7:39 am #1935998
well be careful around trees if …
– there is deep snow on the ground … tree wells are quite dangerous
– if its a temperate rain forest (coastal BC) with a lot if canopy vegetation and heavy rain … its quite common for those big trees to have dead branches hanging like a sword over yr head … many times you hear a CRACK … which is that big dead brand falling to the ground
– any type of strong wind … trees get typsy
sometimes its just better to do quick stops and keep moving …Dec 17, 2012 at 8:18 am #1936006
For quick stops, the ease of use of a dedicated bothy is hard to beat.
We have a two person terra nova and I wouldn't cook in it but before we left the cascades we would frequently use it for lunch stops in snow/rain. It has two built in waterproof seats which don't provide any insulation but keep you dry. Stomp a foot hole in the snow, put your sit pad or pack down to sit on and pull it over you. With a belay coat, you will be dry and warm until condensation starts to become an issue which takes longer then a lunch stop.
I've heard from people that have spent the night in one that shaking it out and reversing it every couple of hours is key.Dec 17, 2012 at 8:28 am #1936009
I'll admit to having taken a tarp along a few times, when we were planning on spending 2 nights in the same place, and when we knew there would be a considerable chance of rain/light snow. Once, the 1# 10 oz. Integral Designs 8' x 10' sil tarp and stakes/guy lines was the best extra weight we carried. We were hit by a 50-hour non-stop barrage of precip, and it was a godsend to have a protected place to hide out and not be tent bound.
On solo trips where I might expect the same scene, I'll take along a GoLite poncho tarp with guy lines and stakes. It weighs about a pound, complete. Without a tarp, I've had to hunker down in my Contrail for a few hours at a time, and it's not much fun.Dec 17, 2012 at 8:40 am #1936012
Daryl and DarylParticipant
@lyrad1Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
I've gone back and forth on this issue.
When I do carry something it is usually a bag shaped emergency shelter of some kind. A big plastic shredder bag, for example, is large enough to pull over my head and it covers most of my body. I cut the closed end off so I can stick my head out and also walk around with it on.Dec 17, 2012 at 9:21 am #1936023
@davidinkenaiLocale: North Woods. Far North.
Slightly off-topic, but to give alternatives:
For hiking, I just bring trash bags. A sturdier, smaller, trash-compactor bags for a shorter, <20-mile day hike. Plus two full-sized Hefty trash bags for emergency shelter if I'm concerned about being far from the trailhead and injured. They double as, well, trash bags if I find some litter on the trail to pack out.
Stopping to cook, I seem to lose more BTUs to the wind and reduced activity level than I gain from a hot drink. So I do cold food and drink and keep moving throughout the day.Dec 17, 2012 at 10:11 am #1936032
@woodenwizardLocale: Greater Mt Tabor
I'll take one if its really rainy. If its just the normal rain I won't. Also I don't always use trails dayhiking so sometimes the days are longer than I anticipate :) and having something to block the wind/rain is nice.
@ eric- you said "by the time you get your tarp up your tea is ready"
-exactly! then you can enjoy hot tea in the comfort of a shelter.Dec 17, 2012 at 11:55 am #1936052
@brianleLocale: Pacific NW
If it's a trip where I expect just lots and lots of rain, I probably wouldn't go this route, but for one where it's lighter, on/off rain or just "possible" rain I'd consider a gatewood cape as a great choice for such a day hike. Perhaps add some tyvek sleeves if you're so inclined. The G.C. is not, IMO, optimal rainwear, but it's okay, and it pitches pretty fast as a floorless tent. My wife and I can cram in there for a dayhike break of the type you describe.
Of course, if it's raining much when I put it up or take it down I'll likely get a bit wet in so-doing, but no big deal IMO. If that really concerned me I could also bring along a very light disposable poncho.
Alternatively, a more conventional poncho tarp, such as a golite poncho could work in similar fashion.
And a very light rain jacket that can double as essentially a windshirt could be a worth while thing to augment this. Or just a straight windshirt.Dec 17, 2012 at 5:33 pm #1936143
What about a windsack ? Hilleberg, Exped and others offer them. Big nylon bag with head holes.Dec 17, 2012 at 7:07 pm #1936181
I've never used a bothy, but I've researched them — here are some reviews, mostly covering (pun alert) the Terra Nova bothies:
And here's a review describing the use of an alcohol stove inside:Dec 17, 2012 at 7:35 pm #1936185
@stephen-mLocale: Way up North
I have carried Terra Nova Superlite bothy 2 on all my mountain day hikes for years, it is an amazing bit of kit.
Combined with Blizzard bag and half a Ridgerest could save my ass sometime.Dec 17, 2012 at 8:20 pm #1936198
I have occasionally set up my megamid at lunch or to wait out an afternoon shower. Any rectangular or square pyramid, whether mega, duo, super, speed or what have you, is really fast to set up – just stake out the corners, crawl under and set up the pole. Comes down just as fast. I've cooked under mine many times.Dec 18, 2012 at 7:09 am #1936277
@dipinkLocale: Western Washington
I really should regard this as an opportunity to experiment with a tarp, that would be a smart thing to do since I carry one as my emergency shelter. However, fussing around with perfect pitch while on a day-hike isn't really attractive–I think I'll have to reserve that activity to messing about in the back yard on a week-end. The bothy bags are a really interesting idea–looks like something I should have in my snowshoeing pack. Not sure it's a cozy lunch spot option, but it works for those folks, just requires a different mind-set.
Prior to this, we haven't really stopped much, but just keep moving to keep warm. Sometimes that's not such a great idea, though–stopping for a little food and a hot drink might help ward off hypothermia. Got into that situation once in 50 F drizzle, don't want to be there again. Also, if we have this option, I'm hoping my hiking partner will be more inclined to get out in more questionable weather–trying to get out in the fall around here can be a real chanllenge.Dec 18, 2012 at 7:16 am #1936280
@mikefaedundeeLocale: Under a bush in Scotland
A bothy bag can be good for morale in poor weather.
Enjoying a break in a TN Superlite 4 HEREDec 18, 2012 at 8:22 am #1936293
I always carry a poncho. My favorite is the GoLite. Usually I wear it. I only pitch it if I'm covering more than myself. I usually hunker down under a tree when the weather is nasty, so I pitch to the tree.Dec 18, 2012 at 6:17 pm #1936473
a bothy bag is really perfect for what you want. much warmer than a tarp and way easier.Dec 18, 2012 at 7:03 pm #1936485
When out day hiking by myself or with the family, I always carry some sort of pyramid tarp. (Currently a golite sl2) They are super fast to set up and you don't need to worry about wind direction. It has been just the ticket on a couple of occasions. At 25oz. Ill gladly carry it on dayhikes for piece of mind.Dec 19, 2012 at 8:03 pm #1936785
just Justin WhitsonMember
For just day hiking, the bothy sounds good, though i haven't used one so i couldn't say for sure. If you get stuck out there for some reason, a bothy doesn't seem like it would be very nice to sleep in overnight– I would imagine a lot of condensation would tend to build up unless it was well vented (some of the higher end ones do have vents).
Lately i've been toying with the idea of making a simple Tyvek Tube tent. I recently bought some Tyvek material 9 feet wide X 8 feet. It was 1.75 per foot at 9 feet wide (so total cost me about 15 dollars plus shipping). Tyvek is fairly durable for being so cheap, fairly water resistant, and apparently even breathes a little which is an added bonus. Personally, i'm going to give it a DWR treatment of some kind to improve the water resistance. Probably a soak kind. I'm going to cut off a foot, making it 7 feet long, fold it in half (double up the 9 foot part, making a flat tube 4.5 feet wide), glue and tape it together.
Attach some loops to the outside bottom "corners" for stakes, run a cord through the middle (or attach loops to the end to keep it more stretched out and taut), and it's quicker than setting up a tarp, plus you have the groundsheet already.
I have a homemade very breathable (the material is like a light weight powershield type material), but very water resistant bivy i can use it with for extreme rain and/or cold situations.
Downside is i don't know how that shape would hold up in more severe wind, not too mention you could get a severe wind tunnel effect depending or driving rain would get in fairly easily at the head and foot areas. It would be easy enough to add some flaps to the two outside openings to help with that though.
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