Sep 10, 2012 at 6:49 pm #1293952
I carry the following items to address my fears:
Bear Spray-12 ounces
PLB-4 ounces (formerly 12 ounces)
First Aid Kit-4 ounces
Misc-4 ounces (tick tweezers, pole sleeve repair, tooth repair,extra spoon, extra tp, etc.)
So the current weight for my fears is about 1.5 lbs.
How much do your fears weigh?Sep 10, 2012 at 6:52 pm #1911109
Depends. Does that include the fear of missing a meal or two, the fear of eating and drinking cold food, the fear of being less than 100% toasty warm, the fear of getting wet, the fear of not having dry socks to change into?Sep 10, 2012 at 7:16 pm #1911122
@justin_bakerLocale: Santa Rosa, CA
Folding Saw – 6.7 oz
I can build a shelter that could withstand any amount of snowfall.
First Aid kit – 3 oz
Going to add a spot or similar product eventually.Sep 10, 2012 at 7:20 pm #1911125
A tin of Altoids – 2 oz. Afraid of meeting the woman of my dreams on the trail, and she ignores me because my breath smells bad….Sep 10, 2012 at 7:22 pm #1911126
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
"Afraid of meeting the woman of my dreams on the trail, and she ignores me because my breath smells bad…."
Douglas, we've been meaning to have this discussion.
–B.G.–Sep 10, 2012 at 7:51 pm #1911139
@davidinkenaiLocale: North Woods. Far North.
On a day hike:
cell phone, PLB if over 30 miles-ish, trash compactor bag. So about 10 ounces.
If with my family – dayhiking or overnighting – it is more like 5-10 pounds, 20 pounds in winter. Some of those are to address my fears, more of it is to ensure marital harmony and be sure the kids have fun.Sep 10, 2012 at 7:57 pm #1911144
@creachenLocale: East Bay
I need music and all types of music and fear not being able to listen to it.
MINI SPEAKERS 1.3Sep 10, 2012 at 8:43 pm #1911161
@eugeneiusLocale: Nuevo Mexico
8oz. will do, or a bottle.Sep 10, 2012 at 9:03 pm #1911166
I carry bear spray most ever trip I go on and curse it every time. I take a cell and extra battery too which also work as entertainment and gps.Sep 10, 2012 at 9:09 pm #1911171
@davidinkenaiLocale: North Woods. Far North.
Fear saved me weight about 8 years ago. I liked my first iPod for tunes but I saw 5 brown bears on the trail that summer. I decided that I can't use it up here because I tuned out too much and wasn't doing all the things I know to do to avoid an sighting/encounter. It the 1st or 2nd Gen with hard disk so maybe 4-5 ounces.Sep 10, 2012 at 11:48 pm #1911201
Everything we do is a calculated risk, even taking public transport going to work.
Backpacking we have added risks and it is easy enough to go overboard (for example Douglas is kidding himself if he thinks a 2 oz tin of Altoids will do the job) however we all need to be comfortable with our decisions.
Lynn introduced some good extras that are part of the same thing.
For me it is having a clean dry pair of socks so I always hike with two but often three extra pairs, two blades (a small Opinel and a Derma blade ) two Bics and or a Fire Steel , in winter a spare pair of gloves (on top of a pair of wp mittens and wool gloves) a spare warm beanie and enough food for an extra day if on a 3 day plus hike, otherwise a spare lunch and munchies.
FrancoSep 11, 2012 at 12:18 am #1911204
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
"For me it is having a clean dry pair of socks"
They say that the difference between a woman and a man is this. The woman will carry a clean pair of socks. The man will carry a dry pair of socks. Different priorities.
–B.G.–Sep 11, 2012 at 8:10 am #1911255
This is fun and informative (for me).
I'm always impressed by how many different ways one can look at the same topic.Sep 11, 2012 at 8:16 am #1911257
@mikefaedundeeLocale: Under a bush in Scotland
All my fears are left behind when i hit the hills.
Bills needing paid, health worries, is my job safe, etc, etc.
For a short period of time, i'm fearless.Sep 11, 2012 at 8:45 am #1911263
Mine still needs to be weighed, but it's redundancy in my fire-starting kit, a second knife, water-treatment pills, a emergency medical treatment card set, phone and spare battery.Sep 11, 2012 at 9:51 am #1911278
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
Great premise for a thread. It's okay to have some fear and it does have a cost. I'm a strong believer Murphy's Law and carrying the classic essentials.
My CYA kit is more like a couple pounds for solo day hiking:
Pocket survival keyring:
SAK Classic knife
Spy capsule with tinder
Fenix E01 AAA LED flashlight
Emergency water bag (in the crown of my Tilley hat)
3.5" folding pocket knife
K&M match case with UCO matches and button compass
Suunto MC2G compass with mirror
AMK "space blanket" bivy sack
Small UL stuff sack:
AMK .3 first aid kit with extra meds, larger compresses
Fenix HL21 LED headlamp
4 Micropur tablets
Spare batteries (1x AA & AAA)
Small vial DEET
Small bottle sunscreen
20' light braided nylon line
"Hotel freebie" sewing kit
Small roll 26ga wire
5 pieces hard candy
Latrine kit in ziplock bag:
Small bottle alcohol gel hand cleaner
This might seem like a lot by UL standards. I have based my kit on personal experience and what I have read of lost and injured hikers. I have tried to collect items that are light and provide materials for improvising shelter, fire making, first aid, repairs, navigation and signaling. There is just enough in my pockets to cover the basics. My survival scenarios are based on losing my pack, falls/injuries, getting lost, having to spend an unplanned night out and changes in the weather.Sep 11, 2012 at 2:11 pm #1911347
Do you know why I like to keep a clean and dry pair of socks ?
Because I am worth it.Sep 11, 2012 at 2:34 pm #1911351
Right on Mike!Sep 11, 2012 at 3:13 pm #1911359
@jaseLocale: A tent in my backyard - Melbourne
My CYA weight includes:
GME PLB (injury)
Garmin eTrex Vista (used only on new tracks…revisited tracks I tend to leave it at home)
spare water tabs (in case of Steripen failure)
fire starter…on top of windproof matches…on top of 2 bic lighters
socks….dedicated dry sleep pair, a spare pair, and a pair to wear
My Degen 1127 radio…..headphones annoy me when camping…I like an external speaker so I don't completely tune out to my environment
…I'm sure there are more….Sep 11, 2012 at 4:26 pm #1911373
My fear kit includes a PLB, 2 extra means of starting a fire plus tinder, a first aid and repair kit, a small knife, a bivy bag, a raincoat, hat, down jacket, spare socks, toilet paper and hand sanitiser, compass, whistle, and a flashlight. All of the above (except spare socks) I carry even on day hikes. On day hikes, if I'm not expecting rain, I still carry a cuben poncho tarp which can double as shelter and raingear. I also carry a sitpad on day hikes, plus the pad that goes in my Gorilla pack, so I am covered for ground insulation if I have an unexpected night out. Excessive by SUL standards, for sure, but I've never aimed to be SUL, just like to carry a comfortable load that will cover me in most of the common situations I might encounter. I haven't weighed what all of this contigency gear 'costs'. The bivy bag is 3oz, the poncho tarp is 4oz, the sitpad is 2oz, down jacket is 4oz, so all up probably a little over a pound of stuff that I don't usually need. Oh, the PLB is 4oz, so closer to 20oz total.Sep 11, 2012 at 5:43 pm #1911398
Daryl — i was thinking about this all day. Mine is thirst. I always carry too much water.
I do fear the reaper, but it is not a weight penalty.Sep 11, 2012 at 5:57 pm #1911403
I completely forgot about extra water. I too carry extra and rarely start out with less than 2 quarts. I sweat a lot and "fear" dehydration and the results of it (e.g. leg cramps, dry mouth, etc.)
DarylSep 11, 2012 at 6:50 pm #1911416
@aviddkLocale: SW Oregon
You should read the book "Waterlogged: The Serious Problem of Overhydration in Endurance Athletes. It will change your mind.Sep 11, 2012 at 6:59 pm #1911419
I also have the fear of not enough water, and there isn't a publication I could read that would change my mind. After around 20 years of frequently getting migraines when I backpacked (I rarely carried much water), a physician friend mentioned that the migraines could be due to dehydration. Next trip I carried a hydration bladder and forced myself to drink liberally and frequently. That was 15 years ago, and my backpacking migraines are now a thing of the past.Sep 11, 2012 at 8:22 pm #1911450
Thanks for the tip. I just put a hold request in to my library and will read it when my turn comes up.
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