Mar 28, 2012 at 10:41 am #1287963
@socal-nomadLocale: North San Diego county
Last night I was watching Front line on PBS it was about how Rupert Murdoch and his news organization was hacking cell phones and and listening to thousands of people and public officials all the way up to the royals Voice mail messages also bribing public officials for news in the metro police force officers .Also using private investigator to spy on people in the United Kingdom.
I was thinking what if Fox news was also using these tactics here in the USA. I bet they were because it worked so well in UK.
It reminded me of the James Bond movie "Tomorrow never Dies" about how News giant Elliott Carver was not reporting the news but causing world wide crisis to create the news to sell news paper and watch television to the public. I wonder if the James Bond writers were trying to warn us in a movie about News Corp.
All have to say is Rupert Murdoch is one scary S.O.B.
Watch it's a eye opener.
TerryMar 28, 2012 at 10:56 am #1860486
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@ben2worldLocale: So Cal
Western media have been trying very hard to create news in Syria. Not saying Syria is right or wrong… but it is definitely the "flavor of the month" right now.Mar 28, 2012 at 11:19 am #1860491
@sschloss1Locale: New England
That Frontline special looks good.
On a related note, several surveys now have shown that Fox News viewers are terribly misinformed about current events. For instance, all of the following beliefs of Fox viewers about Obama's health care bill are 100% false:
In our poll, 72% of self-identified FOX News viewers believe the health-care plan will give coverage to illegal immigrants, 79% of them say it will lead to a government takeover, 69% think that it will use taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions, and 75% believe that it will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing care for the elderly.
(Yes, some non-Fox viewers are also misinformed, but the percentages are much lower)Mar 28, 2012 at 11:38 am #1860503
nice 2.5 year old blip.
forgot to add this didn't you
"This is about credible messengers using the media to get some of this misinformation out there, not as much about the filter itself."
not to mention that "For instance, all of the following beliefs of Fox viewers about Obama's health care bill are 100% false" is not accurate. Different fact checkers have different interpretations.
But keep dreaming the dreamMar 28, 2012 at 12:18 pm #1860516
"But keep dreaming the dream"
I am dreaming that the 2nd largest shareholder in Fox News is a Saudi Royal who openly funds radical Muslim clerics
oops, not a dreamMar 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm #1860528
relevance? anybody can buy stock.
we understand you. you don't understand us. you don't try to. keep it up.Mar 28, 2012 at 12:58 pm #1860536
"relevance? anybody can buy stock"
bwahaha, yep. and they can fund fundamentalism with the profits too… if they're a Prince.
"we understand you. you don't understand us. you don't try to. keep it up."
mkay, sounding tough and plenty in need to label… boring and I ain't buying stock into any one Party's ideology.Mar 28, 2012 at 1:06 pm #1860540
@servingkoLocale: Intermountain West
If I am to arrive at that conclusion based on a photo, what should I make of Barack Obama bowing to the Saudi King?Mar 28, 2012 at 1:26 pm #1860548
don't worry, that's his standard m.o.
it's just a knee-jerk.
he can't control it.Mar 28, 2012 at 2:32 pm #1860582
"If I am to arrive at that conclusion based on a photo…"
you might wanna break out of the mold and not get conclusions from photos, no cheer leading or hand holding required… promise
"… what should I make of Barack Obama bowing to the Saudi King?"
dunno, but you should tell us. yepperMar 29, 2012 at 6:32 am #1860873
dave t must not like reality.
craig – true shouldn't label.
i'm not that far right…just compared to most on here i guess.
And rupert if guilty should be punished accordingly, but anybody can buy stock in a company. not sure what some saudi prince deciding to invest as he is free to do has to do with anything.Mar 29, 2012 at 7:54 am #1860908
"And rupert if guilty should be punished accordingly, but anybody can buy stock in a company. not sure what some saudi prince deciding to invest as he is free to do has to do with anything."
sure, you might not think it has to do with anything… I have a different take
I remember watching Fox viewers being extremely upset by the news that there would be a Mosque on the 9/11 site. They were breaking stories about shady investors for the new mosque and their ties back to extremism. Problem being? Fox viewers would be very upset to know that the 2nd largest shareholder in News Corp was openly funding the project with nay a word reaching airwaves about it
That is not News, that is Divide & Conquer. Have fun with that…Mar 29, 2012 at 8:30 am #1860928
@socal-nomadLocale: North San Diego county
You guys have taken this tread from a Democrat verses Republican issues.
The problem with News corp also was they even took revenge against people who spoke ill of them or had a different political view point. They even had term for it "Monstering " They would Monster this person in the headlines with ridiculous claims like they did in the tabloids. The more monstering informations was pumped in to the general publics mind it became believable or a fact.
Rupert started in the tabloid news world liked that kind of reporting and stories and doctored photos with headlines that shocked people to sell papers. He had every Prime minster in his pocket from Maragret Thatcher on up he even had PM Cameron in his pocket , until the scandal went full steam in the investigation of News corp. PM Cameron shunned him.
Rupert did this type of thing with public officials to get legislation passed to allow news corp buy more companies and also expand it's grip on the news media.
Public Official were afraid of News corp and Rupert Murdoch.
TerryMar 30, 2012 at 8:54 pm #1861747
"You guys have taken this tread from a Democrat verses Republican issues"
kinda, but I think it reaches into the realm of comedy (rather than politics) that Republican rage would give advertising profit $$$ to The Hamas & such.
Don't get me wrong, there is nothing bad with how a Saudi Prince wishes to invest his cash:
I just think it to be fascinating that there is an inadvertent fiscal message being sent to (at least Palestine) care of some, generically/stereotypically, serious Israeli supporters.
There has been an eff-ton of Fox commentary about Jewish/Muslim relations in the region, too bad that Fox doesn't take the time to truly step away from corporate-controlled media to have the accountability 'nuff to own their part
one of the my favorites from Fox was from Glenn Beck, no less (Murdoch is a Commy, purdy much):
"My viewers know that I am not the sort of guy who resorts to sensationalism and hyperbole, but today's show is going to cause blood to shoot out of your eyes. You will totally freak out and very likely wet your pants, as I did when I found this out. In short, there are forces in the media who are directing the course of our nation's future, and it's not who you think it is.
If you think this country is great, but ogres are hiding under the bed waiting to defile you while you sleep, then wake up – and come on, follow me.
Hello America. I am going to ask you to pay special attention to today's program because this is going to get complicated. Keep a pencil and notepad handy. You will want to take notes.
On previous shows I've warned you about the extreme radicals and avowed communists that are holding important positions in our government. I've warned you about conspiracies like ACORN and the National Endowment for the Arts. I've exposed Van Jones and Mark Lloyd and Valerie Jarrett. I know, the liberal elite are going to complain that I only go after black folks. "Oh, he's a racist. He doesn't like the darkies." But that isn't true. I also exposed the safe schools czar, Kevin Jennings, and he is a white *ED: dude that like's wang*…I mean *ED: dude that like's wang*. The point is that radicals are taking root at every level of government. People who hate the principles we devout Christians hold dear.
But today's program is about more than just the government. Oh yes, it touches every part of the government but it has maybe even more power in this country and around the world. It's the media.
When I talked earlier this year about how we, the patriots and truthtellers, are actually surrounding all of the weasels and the traitors, I meant every word. Barack Hussein Obama's czars have been dispatched to every corner of Washington's power grid. But in the case of the media, it really is surrounding us. It's everywhere. In our homes, our cars, our offices, our fast food restaurants. It is being fed into us intravenously. We are all being indoctrinated 24 hours a day, seven days a week. I don't want to scare you, but I'm speaking to you right now on the media. Sure, the liberal pansies will cry "But aren't you a big, rich, media star, with all your TV and radio and books?" And I shout right back at them "Well maybe I am, but you're forgetting that I rarely make any sense and besides, shut your friggin pie hole!"
I want to tell you all something that I just recently learned from the guy who delivers my pizza. He stumbled on an article in that bastion of progressive propaganda, the New York Times, that was hidden under a pile of Hefty bags in the alley behind his shop. Now how did it get there? Hmmm? A copy of a major American newspaper, rolled up and stuffed in the trash? What are they trying to hide? Quite a lot, as you'll soon see.
Now, it is not commonly known that the biggest media mogul in the world is a fellow named Rupert Murdoch. He runs more TV and newspaper businesses throughout the world than anyone, but still complains about the bias in the mainstream press. I mean, duh. Who does he think he is, the Pennysaver? He's Australian by birth, but he went to live in socialist Europe, and later came to the United States. When he wanted to buy an American TV network, he got his socialist friends in the Congress to make him a U.S. citizen, which was a prerequisite for owning a network. After receiving that special treatment, he made sure to bash any other immigrants who aspired to live and work the greatest country in the world.
Then he began to build what is the most frightening corporate empire you can ever imagine. Now, the problem isn't just that it's big, because I happen to love big business and free enterprise. The problem is who he is in business with.
This Murdoch is very tightly entwined with one of America's most vicious enemies. The People's Republic of China. This association begins in his own family. His third wife, Wendi Deng, is a mainland Chinese who once worked for his Hong Kong-based satellite broadcast company, Star TV. Star TV was run by James Murdoch, Rupert's son. Um, OK. James is the guy who complained that western reporters in China supported "destabilizing forces" that are "very, very dangerous for the Chinese government." So let me get this straight. He was defending the communists against reporters from America? OK.
Under the supervision of Rupert and James, Star TV bent its programming to favor the brutal Chinese regime. In 1994 it dropped BBC News, which had frequently angered Chinese officials. One of the reports that angered the Chinese was of the brave soul who famously stood up to a flank of Chinese tanks in Tiananmen Square. The BBC replayed that video too much, so Murdoch had the network banished.
By cooperating with the communist censors in China, Murdoch earned the friendship of some very important people. The article in the Times noted that…"
If you're still reading this, Mr. Beck quotes a NY Times article:
"His courtship has made him the Chinese leadership's favorite foreign media baron. He has dined with former President Jiang Zemin in the Zhongnanhai leadership compound in Beijing and repeatedly met other members of the ruling Politburo in Beijing, New York and London. Television channels affiliated with Mr. Murdoch beam more programming into China than any other foreign media group."
Then Mr. Beck continues with:
"Uh oh. So this relationship was a boon to his financial interests. Do you think that the $50 billion ad market in China had anything to do with that? I don't know, I'm just asking. But Murdoch was awfully cozy with these guys. His book publishing division, HarperCollins, was kind enough to put out a book of fawning propaganda about the former leader, Deng Xiaoping, that was written by his daughter, Deng Rong. He also halted publication of a book by former Hong Kong governor Chris Patten that was critical of the Chinese. Hmmm. Propaganda good – criticism bad.
In 1996, Murdoch entered a joint venture with Liu Changle, a onetime radio host for the People's Liberation Army. And you know those radio hosts. They aren't nothin but a bunch of ignorant, egotistical, blowhards trying to spread disinformation. This new partnership led to an even closer association with China's propaganda machine. Murdoch was now hanging out with Propaganda Department chief, Ding Guangen, and then Prime Minister, Zhu Rongji. Another partner was the Central Committee of the Communist Youth League, considered the political power base of China's new top leader, Hu Jintao. He parlayed these relationships into a new business, building the Internet sites for China Central Television (CCTV) and the People's Daily, the mouthpiece of the Communist Party.
Murdoch later was permitted to launch MySpace China. He agreed to all of China's regulations on Internet censorship and placed a convenient link on every page for users to report inappropriate information to the authorities. How thoughtful of him. I wonder how many Chinese dissidents disappeared due that little feature?
If you are not already rolled up in the fetal position under a table, I don't know what to tell you. This is serious stuff, and it is one of the reasons I have never feared more for the future of my country. When the biggest media conglomerate in the world is in bed with the world's biggest communist nation, how much longer can we expect to remain free? And remember, China has us by the short hairs due to all of the U.S. debt they hold.
America…It is more important now than ever to be vigilant and strong. I don't know how much longer I will be allowed to say these things in public. I told you before that certain entities were threatening to silence anyone who speaks truthfully. I told you to listen between the sentences where I will be screaming at you. I told you to be suspicious of any reports of my demise. Do you think I want to get on the air every night and tell you this stuff? I don't want to believe these things, but unfortunately I find them true. It's not my fault. Get off my effing back. And stop following me around. I mean, come on, follow me. Believe me. Love me. Worship me. I'm doing all of this for you. Can't you see that?
America is at a crossroads. Which way will we go? Further to the left, where communism, tyranny, aliens, and universal health care torment every citizen? Or back to the right, where unregulated free enterprise allows clowns like me to make millions by peddling fear and phony conspiracies? Do you want to repeat the Age of Enlightenment, when society was burdened with reason and the harshness of reality. Or would you prefer the glorious Dark Ages when people relied on faith and the comforting fear of a just and vengeful God?
I know which road I'm taking. I hope to see you on it. Good night, America."
This is not a political issue that I bring up, Terry. At worst, it is of bipartisan concern about the Administrative logistics of NewsCorp and their ultimate motives… much like the wiretapping you would pose for considerationMar 30, 2012 at 9:01 pm #1861750
if anyone knows how to support multiple points of html scripting within a post, please let me know. The site seems to lose the distinction of italics VS whatever after 3 or more transitions.
quoting articles gets difficult when trying to make breaks and have the reader appreciate what is the poster's commentary VS the italicized article content
just sayin and I am positive 'bout deaf ears /shrug
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