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Nov 2, 2011 at 12:42 am #1281436
Hi,
This is a companion thread to my quilt/sleeping bag question. I have a Neo Air all season large, and I'm looking for something warmer for shoulder seasons. There's the exped downmat which sounds very warm, but it's rather heavy. Any other good options less than around 1.5lbs? –I have a strong preference for 25" wide pads.
Thanks,
rhz
Nov 2, 2011 at 5:33 am #1797698Kookabay offers filled pads. I have two and like them. Warm and light. I also have a short NeoAir.
Nov 2, 2011 at 6:08 am #1797708Something warmer than a Neoair all season (blueish color) for shoulder seasons? Do you actually have a standard (yellow) Neoair?
Nov 2, 2011 at 6:34 am #1797718At 4.9 R-value the All Season should be a fine shoulder season pad. That is what I am using right now in northern Minnesota.
I will probably have to go to my Kooka Bay R-9 pad in December though. It is hard to go wrong with their pads for cold temps and my new one came with an Instaflator made to fit their new valves. Yay!
Nov 2, 2011 at 8:53 am #1797756Thanks for the responses. I'm an extremely cold sleeper and found the all season to be cold near freezing. Hence the interest in something warmer.
thanks again.
Nov 2, 2011 at 8:59 am #1797759This seems to be a common thread regarding the All Season.
Ray, any chance there will be a BPL review on the All Season confirming the 4.9R value?
Nov 2, 2011 at 9:05 am #1797763The NeoAir XTherm, which is due for release in 2012, is claimed to have an R-value of 5.7.
http://www.thegearcaster.com/the_gearcaster/2011/07/therm-a-rest-neoair-gets-warmer-and-lighter.html
Nov 2, 2011 at 9:12 am #1797766What quilt are you using? The All-Season should be quite warm well below freezing when paired with a bag/quilt also matched to the temperature. FWIW I've taken a standard short NeoAir comfortably into the 20s with a 30-degree rated bag and would expect the All-Season to extend the system further than that. You're the first All-Season owner I've read any feedback from, as they're just getting on the market (the Trekker has been out longer).
In any case, you might either want either a down mattress or to add a thin foam pad to your existing pad.
Cheers,
Rick
Nov 2, 2011 at 9:48 am #1797779> Ray, any chance there will be a BPL review on the All Season confirming the
> 4.9R value?I don't know David that is Roger the Mad Scientist's territory. ;-)
I got that myself but will most likely do one of my own reviews on it later this winter. I don't have the means to verify R-values though. Can just go by what I know from comparing it to my other pads. I can say right now it is a heck of a lot warmer than my original NeoAir's or my BA IAC pad. The new material is more comfortable too and it is not as "squishy" feeling.
Nov 2, 2011 at 9:57 am #1797783Thanks Ray.
Nov 2, 2011 at 11:54 am #1797833Maybe the OP actually has the NeoAir Trekker, not the All-Season? In any case the new NeoAir Xtherm in a size large sounds perfect for the OP's requirements.
Nov 2, 2011 at 12:19 pm #1797844The new neoair xtherm looks pretty nice. Any ideas when in 2012 its coming out?
Nov 2, 2011 at 3:43 pm #1797926I'm willing to believe the OP – I was very underwhelmed with the Yellow Neoair's claim of R2.5
Nov 2, 2011 at 4:28 pm #1797939I spoke with a Cascade Designs rep a few weeks back as he dropped of a dealer book at the shop I work for. Retailers are ordering now the Xtherm should be in stores in early spring.
Nov 2, 2011 at 5:07 pm #1797961I would just add closed cell foam to your existing setup. The only drawback is bulk. You could try a Z-Rest, which isn't as bulky for the amount of insulation. If that isn't enough, just add more foam.
Nov 2, 2011 at 5:16 pm #1797968I own both and have used both in similar conditions down to about 35. The All Season seems tiny bit cooler to me but only because when inflated, it's about 17.5 inches and my arms keep falling off and lying on the ground. In temperatures down to about 40, they felt about the same. My shoulders are fairly broad so I'm getting rid of the All Season for that reason alone; I loved the weight versus my older pump-style Synmat. If it was 20 inches wide when inflated, it would replace my Exped mat. I'm waiting to see the Xterm.
P.S. I'm a very cold sleeper so I use an insulated pad year round.
Nov 2, 2011 at 6:14 pm #1797991Hey Dan,
It's the all season trekker.
Thanks.
rhz
Nov 2, 2011 at 7:07 pm #1798025another alternative – I ordered a stephenson downmat built to my specs – 5"10" and 20 inches wide at the widest part, and using the same amount of down as the regular size mattress. It weighs 19 ounces. I am a cold sleeper and I like it fine down to mid-teens. It may be ok at lower temps but I've not tried it. I did have to obtain a cuben pump sack and have the valve sewn in so that whole thing is probably another ounce but its also the stuff sack from my bag.
Nov 2, 2011 at 8:50 pm #1798060"It's the all season trekker."
Hi Rafi,
Don't mean to be a noodge, but that's like saying it's the Camry Corolla. T-Rest makes the Trekker series and the All-Season series NeoAirs, along with the original NeoAir (three total). Is it possible you bought a Trekker thinking it's an All Season?
http://cascadedesigns.com/therm-a-rest/mattresses/trek-and-travel/category
Cheers,
Rick
Nov 2, 2011 at 9:14 pm #1798067Yes, sorry: it's the "NeoAir All Season." I paid $169.95 for it at backcountry.
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