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May 24, 2011 at 2:15 pm #1274346
I just got an email from backwoods letting me order the new all season neoair. You guys should xheck it out. It is exclusive to them till july 4th
May 24, 2011 at 3:00 pm #1740634Can you provide a link?
May 24, 2011 at 5:07 pm #1740691May 24, 2011 at 5:17 pm #1740693I don't see it on the backwoods site
May 24, 2011 at 8:45 pm #1740773http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vv_dJ0MVFU
Looks goooooood.
As a matter of interest what would be its rival in r value and weight?
May 24, 2011 at 9:20 pm #1740776Mountaingear.com has them on their website with an expected ship date of 5/29 (5/30 once you add it to your cart).
May 24, 2011 at 9:24 pm #1740777No insulation, no closed sell foam and an R-value of 4.9?
I will need BPL to review before I change my feeling that this is a bit of snake oil.
May 24, 2011 at 11:09 pm #1740795I can believe it.
The current NeoAir achieves its R-value without any traditional insulation or foam.
It's not out of the realm of possibilities to just do more of it.
May 24, 2011 at 11:15 pm #1740796Well, I believe the current NeoAir to be overrated with respect to R-value so that may be my issue.
May 25, 2011 at 1:37 am #1740802That might be OK for base camping. But at 18oz or more it is by no means an ultralight pad.
May 25, 2011 at 10:23 am #1740940James, what pad do you use for winter sleeping that is lighter than 18oz? If it's truly R 4.9, that's pretty darn light (IMO).
May 25, 2011 at 1:19 pm #1741021DownMat 7 S
Size: 163x52x7 cm / 64x20x2.8“
Weight: 780 g / 27.5 oz
Packed: 23×16 cm / 9×6“
Fill Weight**: 150 g / 5.3 oz
Temperature: -24°C / -11°F
R-value: 5.9Would be the closest?
May 25, 2011 at 2:13 pm #1741047Well, I believe the current NeoAir to be overrated with respect to R-value so that may be my issue.
I would agree with that. Using mine near freezing in a WM highlite gets a bit chilly – I can feel it radiating out through my back. Deflating helps a little. Substitute a cheap blue foam CCF and I could go to 25F with that same bag before getting cool.
Not sure how this new pad will stack up, but without real insulation I'm skeptical.
May 25, 2011 at 2:22 pm #1741049I'm always a bit amazed at the giddiness that sweeps the hiking community when a new Neoair is introduced.
May 25, 2011 at 2:38 pm #1741056Talk to Bender of Kooka Bay before you decide to buy a NeoAir. For similar price and weight, or maybe less, he'll make you an insulated air pad just the way you want it. Mine is in the mail! 60"x20"x3.5", Climashield Apex insulated to R5, 13 oz.
May 25, 2011 at 2:40 pm #1741057@Justin: The NeoAir's claimed R-value "corresponds" to near 40º. While I (and many others) have pushed them below, it's hard to criticize the NeoAir for getting cold when you might expect it to. When a 40º sleeping bag gets cold at 32º is that an overrated bag?
May 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm #1741070Fair enough, Stephan.
However, a standard 3/8" blue foam pad is rated to R1.35 and keeps me warmer at colder temperatures than I've ever tested the Neoair. I would expect an R2.5 rated Neoair to perform better. In my experience, it does not – using the same bag anyway.
May 25, 2011 at 3:14 pm #1741077+1 on Kookabay. There's a wait, but well worth it.
May 25, 2011 at 3:33 pm #1741087when the BPL staff tested a regular neoair, its R value was higher than the claimed 2.5
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/thermarest_neoair_review.html
so i would think that if thermarest is claiming that it's new pad has an R value of 4.9, i think thats possible. they just need to limit air flow within the pad to increase the R value, thats how down works anyways…
May 25, 2011 at 4:45 pm #1741108That's fair, Justin.
I don't have a clue as to why, but some do quite well with the NeoAir but it doesn't do a thing for others.
I don't think this is all just in our heads.
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