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    Ryan Elsey
    Member

    @paintballswimguy

    Locale: Kansas City

    I just got an email from backwoods letting me order the new all season neoair. You guys should xheck it out. It is exclusive to them till july 4th

    #1740634
    Peter Griffith
    BPL Member

    @litesmith

    Locale: Litesmith.com

    Can you provide a link?

    #1740691
    Bryce
    BPL Member

    @antigroundhogday

    Locale: Stamford, CT
    #1740693
    Mark Hudson
    BPL Member

    @vesteroid

    Locale: Eastern Sierras

    I don't see it on the backwoods site

    #1740773
    Richard Malpass
    Spectator

    @earthling4469a

    Locale: Australia, Planet Earth,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vv_dJ0MVFU

    Looks goooooood.

    As a matter of interest what would be its rival in r value and weight?

    #1740776
    k web
    Member

    @kbweb

    Locale: Tacoma, WA

    Mountaingear.com has them on their website with an expected ship date of 5/29 (5/30 once you add it to your cart).

    #1740777
    David Ure
    Member

    @familyguy

    No insulation, no closed sell foam and an R-value of 4.9?

    I will need BPL to review before I change my feeling that this is a bit of snake oil.

    #1740795
    Stephan Doyle
    Member

    @stephancal

    I can believe it.

    The current NeoAir achieves its R-value without any traditional insulation or foam.

    It's not out of the realm of possibilities to just do more of it.

    #1740796
    David Ure
    Member

    @familyguy

    Well, I believe the current NeoAir to be overrated with respect to R-value so that may be my issue.

    #1740802
    James Marco
    BPL Member

    @jamesdmarco

    Locale: Finger Lakes

    That might be OK for base camping. But at 18oz or more it is by no means an ultralight pad.

    #1740940
    Doug Reeves
    Spectator

    @strawman

    Locale: God's Country

    James, what pad do you use for winter sleeping that is lighter than 18oz? If it's truly R 4.9, that's pretty darn light (IMO).

    #1741021
    Richard Malpass
    Spectator

    @earthling4469a

    Locale: Australia, Planet Earth,

    DownMat 7 S
    Size: 163x52x7 cm / 64x20x2.8“
    Weight: 780 g / 27.5 oz
    Packed: 23×16 cm / 9×6“
    Fill Weight**: 150 g / 5.3 oz
    Temperature: -24°C / -11°F
    R-value: 5.9

    Would be the closest?

    #1741047
    Justin Reigle
    BPL Member

    @jreigle

    Locale: SF Bay area

    Well, I believe the current NeoAir to be overrated with respect to R-value so that may be my issue.

    I would agree with that. Using mine near freezing in a WM highlite gets a bit chilly – I can feel it radiating out through my back. Deflating helps a little. Substitute a cheap blue foam CCF and I could go to 25F with that same bag before getting cool.

    Not sure how this new pad will stack up, but without real insulation I'm skeptical.

    #1741049
    Joe Clement
    BPL Member

    @skinewmexico

    Locale: Southwest

    I'm always a bit amazed at the giddiness that sweeps the hiking community when a new Neoair is introduced.

    #1741056
    Mary D
    BPL Member

    @hikinggranny

    Locale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge

    Talk to Bender of Kooka Bay before you decide to buy a NeoAir. For similar price and weight, or maybe less, he'll make you an insulated air pad just the way you want it. Mine is in the mail! 60"x20"x3.5", Climashield Apex insulated to R5, 13 oz.

    #1741057
    Stephan Doyle
    Member

    @stephancal

    @Justin: The NeoAir's claimed R-value "corresponds" to near 40º. While I (and many others) have pushed them below, it's hard to criticize the NeoAir for getting cold when you might expect it to. When a 40º sleeping bag gets cold at 32º is that an overrated bag?

    #1741070
    Justin Reigle
    BPL Member

    @jreigle

    Locale: SF Bay area

    Fair enough, Stephan.

    However, a standard 3/8" blue foam pad is rated to R1.35 and keeps me warmer at colder temperatures than I've ever tested the Neoair. I would expect an R2.5 rated Neoair to perform better. In my experience, it does not – using the same bag anyway.

    #1741077
    Brendan Swihart
    BPL Member

    @brendans

    Locale: Fruita CO

    +1 on Kookabay. There's a wait, but well worth it.

    #1741087
    Ted E
    BPL Member

    @mtn_nut

    Locale: Morrison, CO

    when the BPL staff tested a regular neoair, its R value was higher than the claimed 2.5

    http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/thermarest_neoair_review.html

    so i would think that if thermarest is claiming that it's new pad has an R value of 4.9, i think thats possible. they just need to limit air flow within the pad to increase the R value, thats how down works anyways…

    #1741108
    Stephan Doyle
    Member

    @stephancal

    That's fair, Justin.

    I don't have a clue as to why, but some do quite well with the NeoAir but it doesn't do a thing for others.

    I don't think this is all just in our heads.

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