May 4, 2011 at 8:37 pm #1273339
So, after perusing a thread Piper started about using a lumbar pack for short trips, I got to thinking. Why not! But not just any lumbar pack, rather one designed for backpacking, and made, at least partially, out of cuben! Of course! Keep most of your back unencumbered, and perhaps it would stay much cooler! Sounds like a great idea!
Now, generally, when I start getting ideas my staff starts rolling their eyes and backing quietly out of my office. Fortunately, my staff wasn't involved in this one!
Instead, I shot an email to my friendly BPL packmaker, Chris Zimmer, and asked him if he'd make me such a thing. Since it was email, I couldn't tell whether or not he rolled his eyes. Regardless, he agreed, and we discussed a few details before he set out to make what we'd discussed.
I got pics of the finished Half Pack tonight, and it's a pretty cool looking rig! I'll be taking it out this weekend for its maiden voyage. I'll report back how it worked out.
Anyway, here's a few pics. Whaddya think? And thanks, Piper, for your musing. Without it I never would have even thought about this! And thanks, Chris, for never saying no to my weird gear requests!
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@joshuaLocale: Santa Cruz,Ca
Your double cuben bivy and double cuben quilt should fit just fine in there.May 4, 2011 at 10:02 pm #1733172
@pjstarichLocale: N. Rocky Mountains
How outdoor gear evolves? I'm struck by the modular nature of the harness and pack. You don't buy pants and shoes as a single piece of clothing, yet you wear them together. Likewise, disconnecting the shoulder and waist belts of a pack into a separate harness compatible with many different sized containers is clever. You're certain to turn a few heads on your next trip.May 4, 2011 at 10:08 pm #1733175
@sbhikesLocale: Santa Barbara (Name: Diane)
That's pretty cool. What does it look like on you? It kind of looks in the pictures like a big watermelon and like it would bounce around. It's very nicely made. Your harness system looks a lot more comfortable than the webbing straps I barely fashioned for mine, and you could probably add some shoulder pouches for a little more capacity.May 4, 2011 at 10:12 pm #1733178
@nicktruaxLocale: SW Montana
I truly look forward to your feedback on its carrying/specs/etc. Looks like you two may have come up with one of the craziest (neither good nor bad:) designs in a hot minute. In the realm of Thom's Bandoleer regarding innovation IMO.
And such nice pics too!
I'll be waiting to see where this leads…May 4, 2011 at 10:29 pm #1733184
@ckrusorLocale: Northwest US
My compliments to all three of you. The ingenuity swirling around in our little MYOG community always amazes me.May 4, 2011 at 11:04 pm #1733195
@socal-nomadLocale: North San Diego county
Nice pack you beat me to it I have been working on lumbar pack design also after the lumbar pack thread plus going on a overnight trip like Colin Fletcher had written about a long time ago in book The Complete Walker has intrigued me. What I like about your design is you can stack more cuben fiber cells on top of each other if you need to haul a bigger load. I am glad the lumbar pack thread inspired other in pushing the large capacity UL lumbar pack design. Maybe next week I will have my different concept than yours. Chris does great sewing and concepts.
TerryMay 5, 2011 at 1:46 am #1733208
Very cool! (pun intented)
But this is BPL … what's it weigh? And what's the volume of the bag?May 5, 2011 at 8:38 am #1733290
Definitely curious to hear how it fares on the trail. My first thought was "cool!" followed quickly by "I'd hate to do any scrambling or technical terrain in that."
It seems like a great idea for short trips on easy trails, but I do wonder about load stability.May 5, 2011 at 8:50 am #1733301
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@lyrad1Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Clever and cool.
We might see these showing up at schools and colleges this fall.May 5, 2011 at 8:52 am #1733303
"It seems like a great idea for short trips on easy trails, but I do wonder about load stability."
Most of my backpacking, actually pretty much all of my backpacking, is on the east coast, and usually just 1-2 nights, so short trips and fairly easy trails.
I did think of the stability issue when thinking of the pack, that's what the two straps coming around the front of the pack and attaching to the harness are for – to hold the pack closer to the body and not allow it to 'flop' around or drag downward. We'll see how well that works out this weekend! It's also got a slightly beefier hipbelt than normal to assist with stability.
I don't remember the exact measurements of the pack, so I'll measure the dimensions and include that in my first impressions post after my short trip this weekend. I think it was 14" inches across, and it's an 8" high pack body, with an additional 8" extension collar that rolls down for closure.
Remember Chris loaded it up for the pics, I'll be very interested in seeing what it looks like with my normal load.
And, this is a 1.0 release! Using it this weekend should provide Chris with some valuable feedback.May 5, 2011 at 8:54 am #1733309
Very cool. Need some action shots Doug.May 5, 2011 at 9:21 am #1733322
As my gear has evolved (and shrank) it is heading into the direction that Doug is going. Currently I use a Burn which is even a bit too large for a one or two nighter. For me I would further evolve the pack and place storage around the front of belt for on the go access. I recently added something similiar to my burn. By doing this you can pull off heavy items such as water. If you carry 2L of water or other liquids then thats 4 less lb causing the fanny pack to bounce. Would shoulder straps even be needed?
Doug, I hope you and others keep this development direction going. I hope to shameless copy some of these elements after I get back fromMay 5, 2011 at 9:55 am #1733331
"For me I would further evolve the pack and place storage around the front of belt for on the go access."
I always carry my water on the front of my shoulder straps, so it won't be in the side pockets of the pack. Chris is playing with some cuben hipbelt pockets, he's including one on the pack for me to try out. I'll have an MLD pocket on the other side of the hipbelt, so two hipbelt pockets. I also had him include a sternum strap so, if I desired, I could add a pouch there for a map if I chose to, something like Steve Evans made recently. Chris is also including a cuben shoulder strap pouch.
Perhaps I'll get Tim Marshall to make a special sporran to hook onto the front hipbelt for the kilt wearers out there…… ;-)
"Would shoulder straps even be needed?"
For me, yes, as that's where I like to carry my water. But the nice thing about this design, as Pat pointed out, is that the shoulder strap harness is completely removable, wherein the two 'cinching' straps would attach to where the harness attaches instead, still allowing you to cinch down the load and help with stability.May 5, 2011 at 9:29 pm #1733607
@eugeneiusLocale: Nuevo Mexico
Is there anything Chris Zimmer can't materialize?
I don't really know what I'm looking at, but it's cool whatever it is. ;-)May 5, 2011 at 10:30 pm #1733636
How did Chris (Criss Angel?) get the shoulder straps to levitate like that for the pictures?May 6, 2011 at 5:56 am #1733679
@nerdboy52Locale: "Alas, poor Yogi.I knew him well."
Well, this is just as slick as it gets! I want one.
StargazerMay 6, 2011 at 6:42 am #1733695
I'm no Criss Angel, but I have been working on my Jedi mind powers….
It took hours of sitting there staring at the straps and a little fishing line to get them to float. It defiantly helps show how the packs harness system functions, which might not be as clear if the straps were just laying beside the pack or something.
For the photos I stuffed my down quilt into the pack which really made the pack look full and round. The dimensions of the pack are 14" wide by 7" deep by 8" tall with an 8" top collar. The straps running up the front of the pack really help pull the load in toward your back which should reduce bounce. I am looking forward in hearing Doug's impressions of how the pack preforms this weekend!May 6, 2011 at 6:48 am #1733697
@nerdboy52Locale: "Alas, poor Yogi.I knew him well."
What would you say the total carrying capacity is (weight? cc's?)? What is the overall weight of the pack itself?
StargazerMay 6, 2011 at 7:20 am #1733708
for a couple of days should be ideal :)
I also think that if carries decently would be really nice for rougher terrain- your arms would be very unencumbered
I too am interested in volume/weight of this lumbar pack
I've got a very similarly laid out pack- in stark contrast it's 1000D cordura, has two beefy aluminum stays and is covered in molle- volume is ~ 25 liters, weight is close to 3# :)
little different mission in mind of course, but I can tell you that it carries very well w/ up to 35# (and even has carried a few boned out mule deer and antelope- not as comfy)May 6, 2011 at 7:26 am #1733710
I would say the total capacity would be right around 1200ci. The weight of the main pack is a little under 9oz and the harness system weighted in at just under 5oz so the total weight is about 14oz. The webbing was left long so some weight can be trimmed off.May 6, 2011 at 7:32 am #1733712
According to Chris, 14 oz. complete, and 9 oz. without the harness. It should arrive on my doorstep within a few hours, just in time for my overnighter tomorrow! Should be fun trying this out!
Edit: Chris beat me to it!May 6, 2011 at 7:54 am #1733721
@kat_pLocale: Pacific Coast
I think that pack is a little too small for you Doug. Looks like it would fit someone around 5'2". Just saying ;)
Kidding aside, I think it's great that you and Mr Zimmer are collaborating and bringing forth some innovative gear.May 6, 2011 at 8:05 am #1733723
"I think that pack is a little too small for you Doug. Looks like it would fit someone around 5'2". Just saying ;)"
I agree Kat. I could never get inside this pack. But I just might be able to fit some 5'2" person inside. If only I could find a volunteer…….May 6, 2011 at 8:19 am #1733727
This looks surprising like the old LBE with butt pack issued to me in the early 70's.
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