Mar 3, 2011 at 4:29 am #1269979
with collar or without it..
Can you think of anything that weights about 100g (3.5 oz) and could be used while sleeping at summer time.Mar 3, 2011 at 6:43 am #1703835
most windshirts would fit those criteria AND you get the advantage of wind protection and w/ the ones w/ good DWR water resistance too, I've worn mine to sleep when I feel the need for additional layers
if the bugs are bad at camp or on a break, I break my 4 oz Houdini out (if I don't already have it on :))Mar 3, 2011 at 6:54 am #1703838
Windshirts maybe, but how about their comfort against the skin?Mar 3, 2011 at 7:03 am #1703842
have never worn it directly on the skin, have always had a very thin baselayer (Cap1 or Merino1) under it
it may be just fine, just haven't tried itMar 3, 2011 at 7:27 am #1703852
Check out the Rail Riders Men's Madison River Shirt with Insect Shield
"Beat the heat and bugs with this sun-blocking, well-ventilated and stylish shirt"
EDIT: I just now noticed your weight requirement…this is to heavy.Mar 3, 2011 at 7:30 am #1703854
Does not exist in regular fabric shirt at that weight. You would have to wear a windshirt.
Edit: Forgot about permethrin treating of regular shirt or using a BPL Thorofare. Those might do the trick.Mar 3, 2011 at 7:33 am #1703855
Closest is probably the BPL Thorofare shirt, and it's more akin to a windshirt than a traditional shirt as far as fabric goes. It does feel fine against the skin though.Mar 3, 2011 at 8:24 am #1703876
I have used Buzz Off (exofficio) in Malaysia and it works well.
Cheaper and better alternative:
Last summer we treated existing clothing and re-treated Buzz Off with the sawyer permethrin 10 garment kit, military strength.
Both worked amazing and much better than repellent if you can put up with long pants, shirts and hat.Mar 3, 2011 at 8:36 am #1703886
Seems that this kind of shirts starts from about 200g (7oz)
Exofficio looks good,
does anyone know whats the difference in their insectshield and bugsaway (and buzzoff) shirts?Mar 3, 2011 at 8:54 am #1703894
I am all about the Permethin treated clothing. You can spray the lightest silk undergarment with the stuff and mosquitoes will leave you alone, except of course for the body parts sticking out.Mar 3, 2011 at 8:58 am #1703898
Jeff and Brian: Tell me more about this permethrin, is it like boosted DEET? I hope it is not DDT ;)Mar 3, 2011 at 9:19 am #1703903
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
Sawyer's permethrin in a pump spray bottle from REI and other places
Hang clothing outside, spray it, let it dry a few hours (probably better a couple days).
Permethrin is unhealthy if it touches your skin. But treated this way it's okay.
There's also a kit to soak your clothing and then let it dry. I'm just a bit worried that you'de have (dried) permiethrin against your skin.
Either treatment is good for a few trips. They say you can wash it several times. With the pump spray it's easy enough to retreat more often.
There's a lifetime (for me) supply in one bottle.Mar 3, 2011 at 9:31 am #1703908
Everybody, check out this picture ! LOL
Pump it in and you are good to go ;)Mar 3, 2011 at 9:48 am #1703914
It is actually an insecticide as in kills insects and not just repels them. It does not damage coatings etc like DEET. I have used it on screen portions of tents including doors and inside vestibules to help keep the bloodsuckers from waiting to ambush me.
Spraying it on socks, and the inside and outside cuffs of pants and shorts help keep the ticks from traveling up to my nether regions.
It is actually based on a natural version if what I remember is correct though I have never found the natural version in a spray form. The natural version becomes inert on your skin but not so sure on the chemical variation, but it is not meant to be used on your skin.
There is one more brand besides Sawyer out there but can't seem to remember the name. My Wal-Mart has not been carrying either of late but find it at Academy stores which are only in the south.
One more thing: The chemical version is used in flea treatment for dogs (at least in the US) so you may be able to get it in the pet department. For a frame of reference Sawyer uses .5% Permethrin as in 1/2 of 1 percent in their sprays. My dog stuff only uses .15%.
JeffMar 3, 2011 at 10:36 am #1703939
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
Permethrin is a bad a s s synthetic chemical
Pyrethrum is a natural insecticide derived from Crysanthemums.Mar 3, 2011 at 11:07 am #1703953
anybody seen my marbles?Mar 3, 2011 at 11:21 am #1703958
This might be something I'm looking for.
I wonder how much this shirt weight?
Unfortunately they don't ship to Europe… Could anyone trusted BPL member act as a middleman (paypal, google checkout). I pay products and shipping costs. USPS to Finland is $14 and up to 4 lbs.Mar 3, 2011 at 11:30 am #1703961
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
Anything around that weight will be a windshirt and a little sticky to wear against the skin. Most base layer long sleeve shirts are more than 3.5oz and would be my choice for sleep.
There are quite a few button-down shirts available, but more like 11oz. Ex Officio has the Buzz Off line, or you can treat your choice with permethrin. The Ex Officio Airstrip Lite button-down shirts are nice for hot weather and a simple physical barrier without the chemicals.
You can get a bug net jacket that is 4oz, but it wouldn't be good for anything else: http://www.wisementrading.com/insectprotection/bug_out.htmMar 3, 2011 at 11:49 am #1703974
@hikinggrannyLocale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge
Another vote for the permethrin spray. It's great against ticks and chiggers, too (treat all your outer clothing). Just watch your exposure to it when it's still wet. Spray the clothing outside, making sure the spray is downwind of you, and let it dry thoroughly. While the squirt bottle is more economical, I found it much harder to get an even spray with it. I ended up with an aerosol can instead to get an even coating with less spray used per treatment.
Remember that if you are wearing trail runners, your ankles will be vulnerable, since the mosquitoes will bite right through your socks. My first trip with trail runners instead of boots, I forgot, and my ankles itched for weeks. Spray the outside of your sock tops or wear shortie gaiters!
Note that permethrin is not effective against biting flies (read the label). Failing a suit of medieval armor, a wind shirt over your regular shirt or base layer offers the best protection against those nasties. If you don't want to use chemicals, the wind shirt over a light base layer is your best bet. Note that Buzz-Off and similar shirts are also chemically treated, I believe also with permethrin.
The stuff for dogs that contains permethrin (K9 Advantix) is one of those spot treatments (applied on the back between the shoulder blades) that travels through the skin, and is not approved for humans. Please don't spray your dog with permethrin anywhere he can reach to lick it off (which includes all the vulnerable areas of the dog). Please discuss with your vet first!
The "other" brand of permethrin spray is Repel Permanone.Mar 3, 2011 at 1:38 pm #1704046
I found one permethrin product "Bio Kill" from Finnish online outdoor store. It has 2.5 g permethrine per litre. New product for me. I have to try that next summer for my clothes.Mar 4, 2011 at 8:24 am #1704356
Permethrin — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permethrin
As it states, it is a neurotoxin. Personally, I would rather be close to DEET instead (although DEET can melt your clothes). Pick your poison.
Actually, I just hike with a wind shirt (and bug net, bug gloves, etc.). I've worn a bug shirt without a T-Shirt underneath, and it is OK. I generally just wear my T-Shirt all of the time instead, so I really don't save any weight by leaving it at home (I don't feel like walking around half naked and I wouldn't want to wear a wind shirt all of the time).
So, I see what you are getting at with your original post. It would be nice if you had a base layer that was as comfortable as a T-Shirt, but bug proof. Maybe it could have removable sleeves (or sleeves that are easy to roll up). The Original Bug Shirt (http://www.bugshirt.com/) is made out of cotton, but it is not comfortable to wear and is fairly heavy. It is kind of baggy (for good reason). I only break it out when I know I'll see heavy bugs and I'm going on a day trip. In general, in order to make a shirt bug proof, it has to have a very tight weave. I could see a synthetic T-Shirt being made that way, I just don't think anyone has done that (and even if they did, it wouldn't be close to the weight of a wind shirt). Plus, if you had that, it wouldn't breathe that well (another trade-off).Mar 4, 2011 at 8:40 am #1704368
I have this same discussion going on at finnish outdoor forum and somebody suggested silk shirts. Do you have any experiences with silk shirts? I know they are really light and comfy, but are they bug free, even when fabric is against the skin?Mar 4, 2011 at 8:50 am #1704377
@efredricksenLocale: Silicon Valley
How well does Permethrin hold up against washing?Mar 4, 2011 at 10:26 am #1704413
Sawyer claims 6 washings!
I think Ex Officio claims 50 or so.Mar 4, 2011 at 10:30 am #1704415
I have used silkshirts, and I assume it is the light colour that may make them bugfree, I would love to know more about silk shirts and bugs can you send me the finnish link?
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