Jan 11, 2011 at 8:02 am #1267566
@ikeLocale: Central Michigan
Back in stock at Moosejaw. Not a deal, but should make some people happy anyway.Jan 11, 2011 at 8:10 am #1682667
Alpha Green color in XL still on sale at Patagonia Web Specials for $90.
http://www.patagonia.com/us/product/patagonia-mens-houdini-jacket-special?p=19040-1-984Jan 11, 2011 at 11:50 am #1682748
^ ones on Patagonia site, I think the weight spec is wrong on those, it appears to be the mil spec one (part of their MARS system)- hood folds into collar, heavier denier, longer cut, etc- Large is ~ 10 oz (vs ~ 4-ish for the "regular" Houdini)
I have one of each, one is reserved for bushwacking/hunting, the other for backpackingJan 11, 2011 at 12:05 pm #1682754
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@ben2worldLocale: So Cal
Same deal at Altrec.com as well. Different colors and sizes available.Jan 11, 2011 at 12:08 pm #1682757
I "chatted" with Patagonia customer service. They confirmed the 3.7 weight. The color is part of the MARS stuff.
I hacked mine to get rid of the collar and half of the zipper.
Now it weighs 3.6 ounces. So I think the 3.7 is a little optimistic.Jan 11, 2011 at 12:27 pm #1682772
Special Edition Houdini (Alpha Green with snap collar)
I measured the Special Edition weight for an XL at 4.5 oz.(XL Standard Edition 4.0 oz.) and an XXL at 4.6 oz.(XXL Standard Edition not available). The porosity of the Special Edition version is about double the standard Houdini and the waterproofness commensurately less. I estimate the Special Edition CFM to be ~10CFM versus ~5CFM for the Standard Edition Houdini.
A simple test that you can do to demonstrate the above mentioned variance is to create a cup shape in the fabric and then pour in 1 cup of water. The Special Edition version fabric results in the water leaking out without any additional pressure applied. The Standard Edition requires that the cup shape be closed and a moderate squeezing force be applied before the water will pass through the fabric.
The DWR (EPIC like treatment) is thicker (more robust) on the Standard Edition than it is on the Special edition. My guess is that the Special Edition version required less gloss for concealment.
Special Edition @ 200x
Stadard Edition @ 200x
Jan 11, 2011 at 4:18 pm #1682873Jan 11, 2011 at 4:37 pm #1682883
Very interesting. I looked at the tags on the two I tested; there is the horizontal colored Patagonia label tag and under it is a white garment-care tag. The white garment-care tag says made in China.
The source for the ones that I tested was the Patagonia Web Site. See http://www.patagonia.com/us/product/patagonia-mens-houdini-jacket-special?p=19040-1-984
How did you source yours?
elJan 11, 2011 at 4:53 pm #1682892
If that XXL goes up for sale for less than retail Richard, please let me know.
Actually I probably couldn't afford itJan 11, 2011 at 5:21 pm #1682915
You apparently have the PCU L4 military wind shirt rather than the Houdini Special Edition. I also tested the PCU L4 version wind shirt. The Large-Long weighed 11 oz. as does yours. It has less breathability and more hydrostatic head than the Houdini in addition to being extremely durable.
See http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/military-jacket-l4-gen-ii-windshirt-63432227 for a description of your wind shirt.Jan 11, 2011 at 6:07 pm #1682934
Richard- thanks :) that sounds like it exactly, I have a regular Houdini that sees a ton of use, wanted something a little more durable for hunting- looks like I found the right piece
MikeJan 12, 2011 at 11:31 am #1683173
other patagonia stuff for the most part is not. also, mars gear has the sizes broken down into long/regular/short for the most part. mars gear leaks out thru the patagonia web site, ebay, army surplus stores and *tactical* supply houses.Jan 12, 2011 at 12:06 pm #1683193
^ another tidbit I didn't know- thanks :)
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