Aug 16, 2006 at 3:42 am #1219329
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@wandering_bobLocale: Oregon, USA
Nice concept, but my calculator says it weighs 16.8 ounces, not 14.8
9.9 + 4.1 + 2.6 + 0.2 = 16.8
Wandering BobAug 16, 2006 at 10:14 am #1361209
@cbertLocale: N. California
nice pad concept
i’ve been using a wicked fastbag – it has integrated straps to hold the pad to me, which I like. I also sometimes put torso pad INSIDE the sleeping bag.
been thinking about getting one of those evazote pads from oware and then skipping a ground sheet – that and a torso inside my bag might be just about right for me.Aug 16, 2006 at 4:32 pm #1361239
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
I came across a used Torsolite a couple weeks ago. I really like the small size and weight, but I would like just a little more pad for my knees and feet.
I have half a mind to cut a hole in a RidgeRest long pad and glue the Torsolite into it. Next idea would be to get one of the GG pads and do the same.
Another thought– I have a Therm-a-Rest sit pad that I normally don’t haul, but what a great way to incorporate it into a sleeping system– use Velcro to stick the sit pad to the bottom of my TorsoLite. If I punctured it, it would still provide some insulation for my legs and feet and leave the main pad unscathed. Hmmmm
I tried the sit pad and TorsoLite idea. It is okay, but nothing to rave about. I did order a short pad from Gossamer Gear and mated it to my TorsoLite pad and it is great. I now have a 72″ pad with the padding and R-value in the right places and my knees and feet are off the cold ground. Total weight on my pad is 11.9 ounces– very acceptable to me. It is still very compact and can be folded or rolled. I elected to keep my ground cloth unattached.
Barge Cement is a nice find too. It sets up fast and works well with these mixed materials. Two thumbs up for Mike Clelland’s article.Aug 20, 2006 at 12:19 am #1361413
Yes – you’re right. I messed up on the math.
Good catch. My number skills are minimal.
And the cat is named PUDD (rymes with “could”)
M!Aug 22, 2006 at 7:37 am #1361505
I spend a lot of my summer up in alaska teaching expedition stuff for NOLS. So, I end up sleeping on snow in a big tent. For that, I have a different version of the pad system that I describe in the article above.
I use a longer inflatable pad (a Therm-a-Rest 3/4 length ProLite 3) and glue enough yellow EVAZOTE to match my height. THen I added a short rectangle of nylon fabric to the head area, and this acts as a “stuff sack” (sort of) when it’s all rolled up. No ground cloth. It comes in at 17.5 ounces.
Dale suggests using VELCRO as a way to secure the pads together. I have played with this in various configurations. It works pretty good. The one thing that should be noted is that sticky-back velcro doesn’t make a good “seal” on some of the slick pad surfaces. It gets ripped off really easily. I’ve played with glues, stinky cements and various sizes of velcro. Alas, I haven’t found the perfect solution – YET!
It’s a good idea, but it will take some R&D to perfect.
peace from idaho…
Mike!Aug 22, 2006 at 7:49 am #1361506
@cmcrookerLocale: Desert Southwest, USA
Thanks for catching the math error – fixed.Aug 25, 2006 at 9:17 pm #1361702
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
Stickyback Velcro is good on a smooth hard surface, but not on a flexible base. I’ve had good results with polyurethane glue (Gorilla Glue is one). In fact, if you hadn’t mentioned Barge Cement, I would have reached for the polyurethane for the evazote/Torsolite combo. Watch for run-out– it is messy to clean up.Sep 6, 2006 at 5:49 pm #1362536
@sumoLocale: Southern Quebec
Have you tried roughing up the hard surface with sand paper?Jun 7, 2007 at 7:16 am #1391486
I have recently removed the Tyvec sheet. I now use a VAPR bivy sack.
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