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  • #1260088
    Ankar Sheng
    BPL Member

    @whiskyjack

    Locale: The Canadian Shield

    I've never traveled in a desert before, there's over 110,000 lakes in my province so getting water is never an issue. How do you survive where water is scares? I imagine there's some careful planning of the route, carrying a reservoir, ect. But I'd like to hear the details of how it's done.

    #1619505
    EndoftheTrail
    BPL Member

    @ben2world-2

    Some options:

    1. Store quantities of water in your car and combine driving with hiking — using the car as a sort of home base for different 1-2 day hikes.

    2. Cache water beforehand.

    3. Suck it up and carry more water — within reason.

    #1619520
    Bob Gross
    BPL Member

    @b-g-2-2

    Locale: Silicon Valley

    Depending on which desert, there might be more water than you think, but it is hidden.

    I was doing a one-day ascent in Death Valley National Park. We started with 3 quarts of water per person. After about ten miles, we knew where a good water spring was, so we filled up water there, leaving with at least 6 quarts per person. That lasted us for the next 13 miles to the finish. I think I had about a quart remaining.

    –B.G.–

    #1619541
    David Chenault
    BPL Member

    @davec

    Locale: Queen City, MT

    Do lots of homework. Know where the definitive water sources are, then carry what you need. In the Grand Canyon I routinely carried six liters.

    Having a light pack is rather nice here, not only to make room for water, but to let you hike further in a day and thus link up sources faster and more easily.

    #1619696
    Diane “Piper” Soini
    BPL Member

    @sbhikes

    Locale: Santa Barbara

    Yeah, what David says.

    I rarely hike anywhere in Southern California without knowing in advance where the water sources are and what the water situation is like at the time of year I plan to go. Some years are drier than others and somewhat reliable sources can dry up.

    A topo map will show you intermittent water sources, but you have to find out when they have water and when they don't, and additionally get an idea of this year's water availability. Topo maps will also show springs. Sometimes these springs barely drip.

    Good to bring a filter if you have to drink from an algae-filled or scummy source. Don't be surprised if a lot of your water will come from cattle troughs, too. These are often really good sources. Look for what is feeding the trough and get the water from the source instead of the trough. Another man-made source is called a guzzler. This is a type of rainwater cistern.

    You could probably ask a ranger about water sources in the area you plan to visit, or locals if you can find a web site.

    #1619703
    Doug Johnson
    BPL Member

    @djohnson

    Locale: Pacific Northwest

    I'm like you Ankar- I grew up hiking in Washington where water is a non-issue. But after 20+ desert trips and living in Bryce Canyon for a summer, I've learned to respect the H2O.

    I always inquire locally when I can and get the best topo maps and read all the guide books and online reports I can find. Usually the maps show some water sources but I mark them with other local spots and find out all I can from rangers and other hikers. A the same time I'm looking for cool camping spots, side trips, slots, secret routes, ruins, rock art, and whatever cool secrets I can find. From my experience, there are always more cool secrets in the desert and that's part of the fun.

    You carry LOTS of water, depending on the hike and location. And you have to hike smart, filling up at every opportunity when it's scarce and keeping your eyes peeled for water holes. If the water is minimal, it definitely makes sense to stay within hiking distance of the water source (or a vehicle cache) but I've rarely had this necessity. I have hiked 8+ miles to get water though. You have to plan ahead.

    My gear changes in the desert a bit. For one, I ditch the frameless pack for one with a frame for carry multiple liters of water. My Gossamer Gear Mariposa is my go-to desert pack for this reason.

    In the end, though, the water question is a small part of what makes desert hiking an absolute joy and a severe contrast from what I'm used to at home.

    Best, Doug

    #1619707
    obx hiker
    BPL Member

    @obxer

    And for inspiration or maybe just because it is very well written try this:

    The Secret Knowledge of Water : Discovering the Essence of the American Desert by Craig Childs (Paperback – May 1, 2001)

    "A tinaja is so specific in its shape that any alteration changes even the condition of the water. Nearly each time I have seen human improvement attempted …"

    Tinaja: love that word.

    #1619744
    Nick Gatel
    BPL Member

    @ngatel

    Locale: Southern California

    I never cache water, because something could happen to it… like someone taking it. I don't want my life to depend of something that could be removed.

    I hike mostly in deserts. I live in the Lower Colorado Desert, where some years we go zero inches of percipitation. Average is around 5 inches. Water here is the difficult to find. In the Mojave Desert (high desert), water is usually easier to find.

    First know your water needs. Everyone's body is different.

    Desert water sources are not usually 100% accurate. Verify before leaving on your trip.

    In really hot weather, rest during the heat of the day (noon- 3 PM). A tarp helps, because trees may not be available.

    Limit cooking with water. However, cookless meals may weigh more than the water needed to cook something. So plan accordingly.

    In hot weather, you are going to sweat away salt and minerals, replace them. Salty food is good, but you will drink more water.

    Drink frequently, do not wait until you are really thirsty.

    In warm/hot weather, you need little gear. Sub 3 lbs or even 2 lbs is possible. But you will carry lots of water to make up for the light base weight.

    Water weighs ~ 8.3 lbs. I have carried up to 3 gallons on desert trips.

    Wear a wide brimmed hat.

    Wear light colored clothes. Long sleve shirts and pants, not shorts. It will help reduce evaporation and protect your skin from the sun. Critical if you have a long hike between water sources. For short hikes between all my water sources, I wear a T shirt and shorts.

    I have been hiking in my desert for over 30 years, without getting into a critical situation. But almost every year someone dies from heat exhaustion when hiking in the area. Plan, plan, plan.

    On most of my desert trips, I will not see anyone else. That is what I like best about the desert.

    #1619809
    Alex H
    BPL Member

    @abhitt

    Locale: southern appalachians or desert SW

    Nick is right on with all of his points.

    I have cached water and never had any problems but I do worry about it some.

    The hardest part is getting reliable water reports and I usually don't rely on any reports older than a month unless it is for a very reliable/perennial spring. Especially in the national parks the rangers seem to be trained to act like they have no knowledge of water sources, probably a liability protection.

    I have hiked all over the desert southwest for nearly 40 years, many times in Big Bend and it can be challenging at times to plan a trip. They used to have a spring reports book at Big Bend NP and you could give reports and look at it before heading out but they have stopped that practice years ago. I too have had to start out with up to 3 gallons on trips, so a light pack really helps.

    "On most of my desert trips, I will not see anyone else. That is what I like best about the desert."

    Absolutely!!

    #1619907
    Paul Wozniak
    Member

    @paulw

    Locale: Midwest

    I just did a first day-hike (May) in the Superstitions near Phoenix, 16 miles – 8 hours, 92F. Took 3.5L, drank 3L. WhiskeyJack, I understand your question well. If you haven't hiked the desert before, many things are in question; first and foremost is water.

    It occured to me that a reflective umbrella would be cooler than a hat, and may cut down a little on the need for water. Maybe not too manly but I doubt the Hell's Angels are hiking out there. Otherwise, what do the desert rat's think of an umbrella?

    #1619917
    Nick Gatel
    BPL Member

    @ngatel

    Locale: Southern California

    Yes, I think that an umbrella could be helpful. But deserts typically can be windy.

    #1619920
    Bob Gross
    BPL Member

    @b-g-2-2

    Locale: Silicon Valley

    Theoretically, a reflective umbrella might help keep your body temperature safer.

    Some years ago, some guys did a hike from the northern end of Death Valley National Park to the southern end. They had vehicles for support (camping each night) since they were doing this in summer. They used aluminized reflective umbrellas to hold some of the sun off, and they claimed that they worked fine.

    –B.G.–

    #1619942
    Lynn Tramper
    Member

    @retropump

    Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna

    I an absolutely vouch for a reflective outer/black inner umbrella making a big difference in very hot sunny weather. However, as mentioned above, they won't work in windy weather which you often find in the desert. I'm also not sure an umbrella would actually conserve water, as it allows more evaporative cooling compared to a hat. More cooling feels nice, but uses more water…a hat, though sweaty, could reduce water loss at the risk of overheating.

    #1619946
    Nick Gatel
    BPL Member

    @ngatel

    Locale: Southern California

    hmmm…

    sounds like we need a double blind research project with an adequate sample size :)

    #1619955
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    > what do the desert rat's think of an umbrella?
    Mate of mine does a lot of walking in the desert in Australia. He uses an external frame pack with a custom sunshade/verandah mounted on the frame. Swears by it.

    He also siestas under a large aluminised space blanket in the middle of the day.

    Cheers

    #1619958
    Lynn Tramper
    Member

    @retropump

    Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna

    "He uses an external frame pack with a custom sunshade/verandah mounted on the frame. Swears by it."

    Ditto. LuxuryLite frames are ideal for attaching an umbrella.

    "He also siestas under a large aluminised space blanket in the middle of the day."

    Ditto. We carry a heat sheets for summer trips and shelter under this for a rest.

    #1620196
    Paul Wozniak
    Member

    @paulw

    Locale: Midwest

    WhiskeyJack,

    Summary from above:
    1. Get recent water conditions on-line and from locals (BP shops?).
    2. Caching is risky.
    3. Siesta
    4. Big hat, full clothing (or umbrella, scientific study pending)
    5. Take lots of water, up to 3 gallons
    6. Tank up at every opportunity

    Being inexperienced in the desert myself I would be very cautious going more than a day's hike in and would take enough water to walk out in the event of a blown water source. That's if going solo (which makes for a nice trip) or with others inexperienced in the desert. Be cautious about over-extending yourself initially in a new environment. Our comfort level in the north is accumulated over time. Imagine a lifelong desert rat taking on a trip with 2 feet of snow and -5F.

    Another possibility; how about trying to find an experienced partner to join you? That would provide the added benefit of learning the local flora and fauna, routes and myriad tips unique to desert travel that would otherwise have to be learned by trial and error. Cat's Claw comes to mind; looks harmless (whoops).

    BTW, do you have a trip in mind?

    #1620269
    Diane “Piper” Soini
    BPL Member

    @sbhikes

    Locale: Santa Barbara

    I think the umbrella helps, but not as much as you hope it will. It's still going to be really hot. A lot of heat comes up from the ground.

    One thing I created this weekend was I took a long sleeved shirt and sewed mesh all along the seam of the sleeves and the side seam. May also sew the mesh onto the back. Much more air gets in now.

    #1620345
    drowning in spam
    Member

    @leaftye

    Locale: SoCal

    Nice, a myog Ecomesh. I like that. Maybe I should look for my old wool military dress shirts and do the same thing.

    #1620368
    Nick Gatel
    BPL Member

    @ngatel

    Locale: Southern California

    I think an umbrella with reflective material may do more than we think. The extra shade will do a lot. In the heat of the summer, the difference between direct sun and shade is significant, especially if one could shade a large portion of the torso from direct sunlight. For me, it would probably get in the way, more than it would help. But one needs to consider that I have lived in one of the hottest deserts in North America for over 30 years and am well aclimated.

    #1620597
    Ankar Sheng
    BPL Member

    @whiskyjack

    Locale: The Canadian Shield

    Thanks for all the insights guys! This really paints a clearer picture of desert routine. It'll replace the image of Clint Eastwoods chapped lips staggering through the desert in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly lol.

    Paul, I don't have a trip planned. I pretty much always travel alone, but I like the idea of going with someone experienced.
    I just finally made a deal on a canoe (Souris River Quetico16 in carbon fiber!) so its probably going to be a few seasons before I can drag myself away from the water to explore a desert!

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