Apr 30, 2010 at 12:27 pm #1258388
@eugeneiusLocale: Nuevo Mexico
Well, it's a soft release, no prices or full specs on all the items. What are your initial thoughts/response on the new Absaroka pack and the UL 240 BPL quilt in the Gear Shop?Apr 30, 2010 at 12:29 pm #1604136Apr 30, 2010 at 12:31 pm #1604137
@wrongturnLocale: The Soda
I'm planning on picking up the quilt, but being a south eastern resident of the US, I think the pack is not geared towards our climate. That said, it looks like a great pack for 3 season for the Western part of the country. Should be a great pack for Winter CDT and PCT hikes.Apr 30, 2010 at 12:32 pm #1604138
but being a south eastern resident of the US, I think the pack is not geared towards our climate
Details? I'm in GA but plan on probably picking up a couple to try out.Apr 30, 2010 at 12:33 pm #1604139
quilt is cool, so is bivy if it weighs in a projected. but not too pumped about the pack. there are many better options in 2lb range. IMO. i mean just get a tried and true vapor trail. its got the removable hipbelt, frame, padded backpanel, large stretchy pockets, probably cheaper too. just my $.02Apr 30, 2010 at 12:40 pm #1604143
@antigLocale: Pacific Northwest
The pack looks great–super simple yet comfortableApr 30, 2010 at 12:45 pm #1604148
@wrongturnLocale: The Soda
From the desciption it seems like it is intended for larger volume gear like synethic quilts and synthetic winter clothing like the BPL line.
I don't find that our winters with the exception of this year's, warrant the need for all synthetic clothing or large loft synthetic quilts, so for me it would simply be too large of a volume pack.
Like I said I believe it would be an excellent choice for those doing harsher winter hiking, and even for those up north on the east coast. This would be a great pack for winter in NY, NH, VT, ME, CT, PA, and MA where you are going to get more snow and wetter conditions.
I am in no way putting the pack down, just simply stating that I don't see the need for such a large dry pack here in the South even in winter.
I will be very interested to see the smaller version when it comes out, and will definetly be grabbing one of the quilts and the bivys.Apr 30, 2010 at 12:56 pm #1604155
@socalpackerLocale: Southern California
I like the new pack and quilt.Apr 30, 2010 at 1:12 pm #1604163
I would much rather see the BPL Artic Dry Pack back. Much more innovative.Apr 30, 2010 at 1:14 pm #1604165
Coming from a tall guy. I wonder what the torso sizes it will support. Maybe it's on there and I'm missing it.Apr 30, 2010 at 1:17 pm #1604169
jake, i agree with your statement as i am in the southwest. not really a pack for our needs. if i lived in the areas you mentioned, it may be a good pack. i just think the market is already full with 2lb packs that can hold alot of gear.
i don't believe that ryan and co. have the BPL store as first priority or they would simply be a cottage manufacturer. don't get me wrong, i like BPL and the community that comes with it, just saying…Apr 30, 2010 at 1:27 pm #1604173
Yes, it's a larger volume pack but keep in mind this version is designed for thru-hikers so it's designed to compete with something more like a ULA Circuit or even the current Jam which has no frame.Apr 30, 2010 at 1:52 pm #1604185
@philipdLocale: Ontario, Canada
I am looking forward to more details on the quilt.Apr 30, 2010 at 2:04 pm #1604192
Mike In SocalParticipant
I like what I see so far in the new pack. I am not ultralight but have been reducing the weight and volume of my gear and think that dropping down to a 45L pack can save me another 21 oz. From the photos, I couldn't tell if there were attachment points on the straps.Apr 30, 2010 at 2:34 pm #1604202
in the specs, the pack i s much smaller than the circuit, heck, its smaller than any of ULA's packs!
assuming typical BPL prices, i don't think it will be anything great. it would have to be less $ than the circuit, imo. the BPL pack is 4oz lighter, so that's a plus. the OHM has suspension, larger volume, great compression, more pockets and is lighter.
as to the vapor trail, the VT is heavier, but it can easily be trimmed down to the same weight, it has similar features and definately cheaper. spec-wise the GG arete is closer to the BPL pack and costs all of $100.
the gorilla has almost the same volume, toughness, removable hipbelt and frame, much lighter weight, and very well trail tested, plus you can call grant at gossamer gear directly for thoughts, advice, and info.
this list could go on with SMD, osprey, REI and the like.
i'm not saying its a bad pack, it might be a great pack. my point is just that the market doesn't really need what this pack is offering. going by the price of the nano tarp, i would expect this pack to be well over $200 and i think their are plenty of offerings to match it.
this is just my $0.02 so please don't think its worth more than that-
ben-Apr 30, 2010 at 4:19 pm #1604248
The pack seems like a great transitional pack for people moving to UL, and seems very feature-rich for the wt.
That being said, I can't see many of the regulars here replacing the lighter packs they're already carrying for one of these. As competition to ULA's offerings, I think BPL is being smart. ULA is selling like hotcakes.
For my part, I'm constantly finding the Gorilla the perfect size, yet still too heavy for my needs. I can easily carry my gear + a week of food in the summer without compressing my quilt, or my winter gear+week of food with compression.
I just cant see myself ever needing more than 45L. I bought and sold a Starlite because I realized it was useless for me (and not comfortable for my back).Apr 30, 2010 at 4:40 pm #1604261
I really like the quilt. One of these might end up in my gear collection.
The pack looks nice, but I think I'd prefer the ULA Epic.
The bivy also looks good, but I still prefer my Titanium Goat Omni-Zip bivy.
Just my thoughts.Apr 30, 2010 at 7:57 pm #1604390
@butukiLocale: Kanto Plain, Japan
That is a beautiful pack. Well designed, well-sewn, solid. Those big side/ front pockets are something innovative… though I'm a little unsure about accessing water bottles while walking. My initial doubts about the pack have dissipated. Looking forward to learning more about it.Apr 30, 2010 at 8:02 pm #1604395
Miguel: but be honest, are you even remotely considering buying it? ;)
Recommending it yes. Obviously. ;)Apr 30, 2010 at 8:22 pm #1604405
@butukiLocale: Kanto Plain, Japan
If I needed another pack, I'd consider buying, yes. But after cutting away all extraneous gear over the last four months I don't want to get back to gear hoarding. I've only just weaned myself of gear dependence! The withdrawal was simply awful! Late night sweats, chewing my fingernails, banging my head against the walls, sudden cravings for stuff sacks, inexplicable desires to lie down on the floor and measure torso length, etc…
Though shalt not tempt me, Oh Gear Fiend!Apr 30, 2010 at 9:20 pm #1604432
@sharaldsLocale: Gallatin Range
I don't believe I posted this elsewhere yet but I was pleased to find that when I removed the internal frame element and the hipbelt the pack weight drops to 22 oz. (624 g). That's a pretty respectable weight compared to similar frameless options out there. Not to say that the focus of this pack is low weight though. Blasphemy coming from BPL? Maybe.
I'm sure it's obvious to critics that we're not trying to compete with the SUL pack market with this backpack. Bozeman Mountain Works packs were on the forefront of that market some years ago and Backpacking Light packs will enter that market again in the coming year. Durability and lengthy resupply capabilities are what we are currently interested in and this iteration of backpack is going to meet those needs excellently.Apr 30, 2010 at 11:53 pm #1604481
@antigLocale: Pacific Northwest
Will there be color options for the pack? Or will it be any color I want as long as it's orange?May 1, 2010 at 12:37 am #1604492
@dirk9827Locale: Pacific Northwest
As it is aimed at thru-hikers, does it contain a hydration sleeve/pouch? How about side pockets to hold water bottles? I see those are set as "to be determined (tbd)." Any word on this?May 3, 2010 at 2:02 pm #1605412
its not really aimed at thru hikers, no matter what they tell you…
a thru hiker doesn't want some overly heavy pack with no pockets, and no mesh pocket in the back and low volume. thru hikers usually like low weight packs with mesh pockets to easily see and to dry out tarps and rain jackets. they also like packs that can accomdate big food bags so they can resupply at 10 days if need be, this pack will do neither, i think it may be a perfect pack for some BPL staff to use and thats fine, except that they try to market it to BPL subscribers to cover the design cost. blah blah blah.
just because its in the BPL shop doesn't mean its a great pack! and you shouldn't be lined up to pay your hard earned cash for a "pre-purchase" (help us recover our design costs) whatev….May 3, 2010 at 2:24 pm #1605425
I'm not sure what thru-hikers you're referring to but the majority of those on the AT still carry traditional gear. They have no idea what tarps are and aren't capable of going 10 days between supply points. The first major resupply point is Mountain Crossings @ Neel Gap and Winton and his staff send home thousands of pounds of gear each year helping the thru-hikers lighten their loads. Last time I was up there the majority of his pack stock was Granite Gear and ULA.
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