Mar 16, 2010 at 5:56 pm #1256570
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Excellent review. Thank you for the time and effort you put into writing this.Mar 16, 2010 at 10:26 pm #1587364
@beaverboymikeLocale: Southern Utah
One product that I can completely mark off my "to buy" list.Mar 17, 2010 at 12:07 am #1587390
@cbertLocale: N. California
looks like the product is updated and a lot of the reviewed iteration's aspects have been changed. For one, it now has a breatheable top/front material.Mar 17, 2010 at 10:38 am #1587516
Nice review. I've heard of the JakPak and wondered about its usefulness for backpacking. Thanks for your enlightenment.Mar 17, 2010 at 9:44 pm #1587746
So it has been a couple of years now. I am amazed that Jakpak is still in business. I am not surprised that they dropped the homeless angle and are going after the outdoors folk with money.
Man I get tired of getting flak and then later am proved correct.Mar 17, 2010 at 9:53 pm #1587749
But Ken, we all chipped in and got you one for your birthday!Mar 17, 2010 at 10:03 pm #1587751Mar 17, 2010 at 10:06 pm #1587753
Carhartts and a black hoody will get me high?
Sweeeet.Mar 17, 2010 at 10:20 pm #1587758
@cbertLocale: N. California
that a product intended in part for the homeless (who need it) needs to be improved in quality/performance for those who don't really "need" it in order to sell well enough to be provided as intended to those who do.
I think it's a pretty cool idea. If I were at all good at sleeping on my back, I'd consider it as an option. or is it not necessary? I couldn't tell from the review it is possible to sleep on side in this?
"Our first shipments of six JakPaks were shipped last week to Salvation Army national headquarters in Alexandria, Virginia— the first step in what we hope will be a long-term and mutually beneficial relationship with The Salvation Army. The JakPak began with President Terry Jensen’s many years of working with homeless people in Seattle, and it is our hope, over time, to enable the Salvation Army to distribute JakPaks to those ‘who need it most.’ Active Engineering’s long-term goal is to be able to donate a percentage of sales to Non-Profit organizations to distribute to the thousands around the world without a jacket/shelter. We are very excited about this new step and will keep you all posted on how things progress."Mar 18, 2010 at 4:34 pm #1588017
Homeless who need it and want to stand out like a highway roadsign?
The last thing a homeless person sleeping out wants is to be discovered. It is dangerous living out like that, in an urban area. It is absolutely essential they be hidden and discreet.Mar 18, 2010 at 4:40 pm #1588019Mar 18, 2010 at 5:13 pm #1588038
"Plus the first time that they pass out and soil themselves in it into the dumpster or worse it goes. Too bad vagrancy is no longer illegal.. Get some help, get to work. I've never seen a Latino pan handling.. WTF."
Wow. This discussion just took a pretty bigoted turn.Mar 18, 2010 at 5:45 pm #1588052
@tippymcstaggerLocale: North Texas
yes, suggest moving to chaff.Mar 18, 2010 at 6:53 pm #1588083
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"Homeless who need it and want to stand out like a highway roadsign?"
That's not so bad to make them extremely visible. It used to drive me crazy when vagrants in Albuquerque would cross dark streets wearing dark clothing. I probably would've hit one by now if I still lived there, so I welcome anything that makes them more visible.Mar 19, 2010 at 10:45 am #1588299
When I head out solo and sport all my SUL gear, my girlfriend always tells me I look like I'm homeless…maybe this really is a product for us!Mar 19, 2010 at 12:15 pm #1588322
@eric_kLocale: The northwest is the BEST
After spending three years in chicago and spending a lot of time with the homeless communities there, working with them try to get IDs and places for them to stay so they can have jobs, I can say they do not deserve all the crap people give them. They obviously made bad choices in life, but once you have fallen that low it is near impossible to pick yourself back up. Everyone is against you, gangs beat you up, cops throw you in jail and take anything you have, and the few handouts you do receive do amount to much. So don't judge so quickly next time.
EricMar 19, 2010 at 2:11 pm #1588369Mar 19, 2010 at 2:36 pm #1588372
I was actually being serious. My girlfriend really does say that. Ever seen a guy wearing a cuben poncho, cuben backpack, and cuben chaps….:)
Anyway, the product is a step in the right direction. It is integrating several pieces of gear which is what many of us try to do, but in this case it is not quite as usable as we would like, and not light enough.
But, good for them for thinking outside of the box. Maybe a few revisions will bring a more desirable product.Mar 19, 2010 at 8:17 pm #1588563
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@earlymusicusLocale: Southeastern Michigan
I think the JakPak is a great idea that could fly once the issues with weight, fit, and breathability are addressed.
I like the idea of it for homeless. And Eric Krumland is right about the homeless. I have to say that some of the nicest people I've met have been homeless people. I have never had a homeless person NOT thank me for helping them; on the other hand, I've held doors for people who were in better situations, or have motioned people to cut in front of me on the highway, and never once did they say "thank you."Mar 20, 2010 at 8:46 pm #1588905
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
Is the Jak Pak a 2-in-one product or can it also serve as a pack cover?Apr 19, 2011 at 4:38 pm #1726758
I realize that I'm coming to the party VERY late on this discussion and I hope this post finds it's way to you.
I found your quantification for attribute ratings interesting and I have a question.
The only thing that I can't quite come to terms with is how you derived the "normalized" value at the end of each evaluation.
Figures for both have a common factor of roughly 7.33 (achieved by dividing the normalized value into the score total for each product/system review).
Can you shed some light on this for me?
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