Jan 29, 2010 at 9:53 am #1254626
I have made several mids/tipi's recently, and I have just used my treking poles strapped together for support. I am now going to be making a 9' tall version and I am going to need a longer center support.
Does anyone know where I can get some aluminum center pole pieces such as the ones for the shangrila 3 or 4 that i can make 9' tall?
ThanksJan 29, 2010 at 10:07 am #1567609
You could probably buy 2 Golite shangri-la pole supports, and cannibalize the sections from one pole and add them to the other to extend its length.
You could also probably buy a Kifaru or Titanium goat pole of that length.Jan 29, 2010 at 10:32 am #1567615
Fibraplex will make a nice custom pole for you. Extremely low weight, but pricey.
–B.G.–Jan 29, 2010 at 10:39 am #1567616
Will Fibraplex make a "thicker pole" for a mid? I've ordered from them in the past and have checked their website to consider having something made up but there is nothing (or I have not been able to find it) on the website about larger diameter poles. All I've been able to find on their website is the 292 poles, which are way too thin and flimsy for a center pole for a mid or tipi.Jan 29, 2010 at 10:56 am #1567625
What's wrong with .292" diameter?
You aren't trying to get one fifteen feet long, are you?
–B.G.–Jan 29, 2010 at 12:28 pm #1567641
I've got a .292 diameter fibraplex pole. For a typical height of say 5-6 feet, there is no way that pole can withstand the compression force of a typical pyramid shelter. It will start to bend and once it does, it just can't support the vertical load. I've tried it on my hex 3, and to say the results where less than unsatisfactory would be quite an understatement.Jan 29, 2010 at 12:50 pm #1567647
How much weight are you trying to support? Is this made out of buffalo hide or something heavy?
For lightweight tents, I find the carbon fiber poles to be excellent, and I have never seen any bend in mine.
–B.G.–Jan 29, 2010 at 12:54 pm #1567650
I am looking for about 9 feet. I guess the golite route would only be about $70, so that is not too bad.Jan 29, 2010 at 1:24 pm #1567660
@zkoumalLocale: Prague, CZ
Check quest outfitters,
they have aluminium pole segments up to 0.75 in thick.Jan 29, 2010 at 1:31 pm #1567661
I believe that dimension is a diameter, not a thickness.
–B.G.–Jan 29, 2010 at 1:39 pm #1567664
@mikefaedundeeLocale: Under a bush in Scotland
I tried using my TiGoat poles on my Hex 3 and the amount of bend was scary. No way would i have felt comortable using them. I would be looking for a lot more than .292" dia.Jan 29, 2010 at 1:39 pm #1567665
It's not the weight of the shelter, but the downward force of the stakes required to get a tight pitch in these shelters. If you have a square pyramid and only use 4 stakes at each corner, and it's a very calm day you could probably pitch it loose and the thin pole would be adequate. But once you start adding stakes and try to get a tight pitch, (like you would want if you are expecting high winds) the downward force on the single pole is considerable. Add some snow and all bets are off.Jan 29, 2010 at 3:27 pm #1567689
"I tried using my TiGoat poles on my Hex 3 and the amount of bend was scary. No way would i have felt comortable using them. I would be looking for a lot more than .292" dia."
So, let me get this straight. You did not try the Fibraplex poles, did you?
–B.G.–Jan 29, 2010 at 3:56 pm #1567694
You could try Fibraplex. They used to, and still do if I read their site correctly, make a 5/8" diameter tarp pole that might be stout enough for that height. I would send them an email about it – they called it the "Pinnacle" tarp pole, and they still show some versions of it in their price list. Look here:
and sctroll down to replacement pole sets; you'll see Pinnacle 62 and Pinnacle 48. The question will be whether you can get a custom pole with that same tubing, and whether it would be stiff enough for that height.
Also, Kelty makes some adjustable poles:
that might work for you. another idea is an avalanche probe. You can get various lengths and diameters and weights, in aluminum and also carbon I think. I know some guys who use them as mid poles for ski trips, since they already have them on board.Jan 29, 2010 at 4:05 pm #1567697
I've never seen an avalanche pole that was that seriously strong. I've used them in a lightweight arch over a snow shelter, but never as a structural beam like it seems like is under discussion here.
–B.G.–Jan 29, 2010 at 4:13 pm #1567699
@nlsscottLocale: So. Calif.
I have used the pole from a golf ball retreiver (the long poles with a cup at the end for getting you ball out of the pond). They are telescoping and adjustable. You can cut them down to make the carrying length packable. The tubing is strong alum. and it is pretty cheap, too. ScottJan 29, 2010 at 4:35 pm #1567701
@ascientistLocale: Grants Pass, Oregon
The carbon fiber pole used in the Black Diamond Mega Light is the best center pole I have found for Mid's of a similar size. It's the lightest pole I have found that dose not have to be custom made and is still plenty strong. It can be purchased here:
More information on the pole here:
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/black_diamond_mega_light_mega_bug_tent_review.htmlJan 29, 2010 at 5:19 pm #1567724
@mikefaedundeeLocale: Under a bush in Scotland
As i said Bob, i used TiGoat poles.
I would love to see a photo of your .292" dia carbon pole set up in a Hex 3 or similar style mid without any bend in it. Makes you wonder why BD use an 18.mm dia pole in their Mids.Jan 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm #1567747
I do not have either of those products, so I can't show you a photo of Fibraplex poles in use with them.
I had my Fibraplex poles custom cut for the proper length for my own shelter. Works good. Lasts a long time. For a lightweight shelter, they have zero bend.
–B.G.–Jan 29, 2010 at 7:50 pm #1567764
If you go with the Go-Lite poles, ProLite Gear has them on sale for $24.98 each:
Free shipping if you get your total order to at least $50 (2 poles + something at 4 cents or more — maybe one foot of 2mm Eidelweiss accessory cord @ 11 cents/ft(:>)
Sure are heavy at ProLite's 15 oz estimate per pole.
If that estimate is accurate, Go-Lite seems to have added weight to the pole. I have one that is "only" 13 oz.Jan 29, 2010 at 7:54 pm #1567766
Richard, aren't there two different generations of poles? One was 13 and one was 11 ounces. Prolite may have the older version, or maybe the only thing old is their data.
–B.G.–Jan 29, 2010 at 8:14 pm #1567770
I've got that exact same pole (SL 4/6/8).
Weighs 14.2 ozJan 30, 2010 at 7:48 pm #1568084
Yes, it does appear GoLite has sold variations of a pole that breaks down with shock cord holding the sections together, and which can be extended to various lengths.
I have these two.
One is silver, aluminum, weighs 12.61 oz, can be extended 61.75" to 75.5" via pop-up button, & folds to 17.75"
The other is brown, aluminum, weighs 12.96 oz, can be extended 57.25" to 70" via pop-up button, & folds to 17"
And then, there's GoLite's Hex 3 pole, which is blue and silver, aluminum, weighs 12.21 oz, can be extended 59" to 67" via sliding ring (as I recall), & folds to 15.25"
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