Dec 5, 2009 at 5:58 am #1242754
When I read Ryans review of the pakrifle I ask myself if there are any people here who already have experience with hunting as a means to reduce food weight on a long wilderness hiking trip. I could only imagine that this might make sense in areas like the Yukon or Alaska, maybe on a trip like the one planned by Andrew Skurka?
But then I would guess that you can't truely rely on finding prey, so rifle and ammunition go on top of the food weight you carry anyway.
I don't want to discuss the ethics of hunting here, I just want to know if already any of you lived " off the land" on a long trekking trip.
What about experiences with bows or slingshots?Dec 5, 2009 at 7:13 am #1550567
@wpoettaol-comLocale: Santa Barbara
I live on a 15,000 acre (approx 20 sq. mile) working cattle ranch in Ca., that our family has operated since 1816. I frequently take out my dog, a 12 gauge and a 6 b 3 season kit. There are few experiences that can equal a nice glass of pinot ( we're in the Santa Ynez valley one of the worlds best wine regions), and a couple of Quail cooked over an open fire on clear night with a full moon. I'll average 11 to 15 miles on these days. My dog and I always come home happy and usually well fed.
The 12 gauge and the bottle of wine are anything but UL but one of the beauties of what we do is that it lets us bring goodies with us and still go light.
Yours on the path.
BillDec 5, 2009 at 6:57 pm #1550684
original comment about the cute gun has been deleted.Dec 5, 2009 at 7:21 pm #1550689
Critique of Dan's cute remarks deleted.Dec 5, 2009 at 7:35 pm #1550691
I'm not trying to sway anyone. There's a typo in your second paragraph…..Dec 5, 2009 at 7:38 pm #1550692
Yes, let's just erase the whole sad episode..Dec 5, 2009 at 7:41 pm #1550694
entertainment has been deleted forever.Dec 5, 2009 at 7:44 pm #1550696
Should've cleared this space sooner…Dec 5, 2009 at 7:51 pm #1550698
I erased the not afraid part before I saw your post. Anyway, about that Pika trap…..not for another decade?!Dec 5, 2009 at 7:53 pm #1550699
@ouzelLocale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
"I hope we are both banned…"
Aw, c'mon Dean. Now don't you go and get yourself booted when we're already on the verge of losing a couple of superstars. This place is gonna start getting real dreary just when my SAD is kicking in up here in the land of liquid sunshine. It'll be down to Dave T, and he'll get bored and probably leave without some worthy adversaries.
I've been wondering when you'd surface. Be careful how you talk to Dean. When they start drafting 50 somethings to send to Afghanistan, you could end up on the operating table in some MASH ward looking up at Dean with a scalpel in his hand and an evil grin on his face.
Oops, the flames are licking at my keyboard; Gotta go.Dec 5, 2009 at 7:56 pm #1550700
By the way guys, this has nothing to do with you. I've just been set on a hair trigger by the whole "politeness" thing. I guess I'm just trying to get through the "spit" phase and into the "rational discussion" phase as quickly as possible… :o)
I'm ready to viciously attack both sides. Have at me! :o)
Thanks, Tom. It's nice to be loved.Dec 5, 2009 at 7:58 pm #1550702
OK, I give in. I'll erase my posts so as not to hurt anybodies feelings. We can just say I was banned.Dec 5, 2009 at 7:59 pm #1550703
Aw, don't erase them! This is, like, a national sport!
Not to mention it's not fighting fair! Now you're casting ME as the censor!Dec 5, 2009 at 8:00 pm #1550704
@ouzelLocale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
"Thanks, Tom. It's nice to be loved."
I've always been ready to take on the tough jobs. Big hug.
:)Dec 5, 2009 at 8:02 pm #1550706
Man, now you tell me! I got if off my chest so good luck on finding someone else to go after around this place!Dec 5, 2009 at 8:03 pm #1550707
>> Big hug.
HA!Dec 5, 2009 at 8:05 pm #1550709
@dharmabumpkinLocale: San Gabriel Mtns
nvmDec 5, 2009 at 8:05 pm #1550710
Me too! But I'm into traps myself.Dec 5, 2009 at 8:11 pm #1550714
I'm definitely not going to claim that there aren't some sick hunters out there. I've met them! But there are also a lot of hunters and fishermen who honestly feel a nigh spiritual connection with nature. FWIW.
Out.Dec 5, 2009 at 8:23 pm #1550717
Don't go putting words in my mouth. I'm dissappointed BRANDON erased his post – chicken.Dec 5, 2009 at 8:28 pm #1550719
Now, Dan, I noticed that you erased some of those posts long AFTER you claimed it was "too late." What gives? Especially when you're calling Brandon a "chicken."
By the way, and don't read too much into this question, because I'm done here, too- I'm just always curious when this canned flamewar rears its head…
Are you a vegan?Dec 5, 2009 at 9:07 pm #1550731
"And, honestly, it is the PRO-hunting people on this forum that have been bullied into avoiding posting about hunting, by the EVERY TIME tactics I described above. The poor, downtrodden anti-hunting people are behaving like bullies (and censors)."
I seem to have a recollection of the opposite.Dec 5, 2009 at 9:22 pm #1550735
"I live on a 15,000 acre (approx 20 sq. mile) working cattle ranch in Ca., that our family has operated since 1816"
Hobby farm is it?Dec 5, 2009 at 9:25 pm #1550736
So I go to a bicycling film festival for the evening, and I get back and find that I missed some wonderful flame war, and half the posts are erased! What's the fun in that! Sheesh, a guy can't even go out every now and then….Dec 5, 2009 at 9:49 pm #1550743
No, you have a recollection of the pro-hunting folk giving as good as they got, on occasion. Yes, when you post some smug anti-hunting rhetoric when someone is trying to discuss lightweight rifles they will fight back. Fair is fair, and that is human nature. Take a look at those posts- see who started the flamewar.
I mean- you're joking, right? That's supposed to be irony? Did you miss my "EVERY TIME" point? There could be an awful lot more hunting issues discussed here, but no one wants to endure the harassment. In the interests of peace most hunters here never post about it. (Not to mention, as many have noted, this is primarily a hiking website not a hunting website.) Look at Sarah Kirkconnell (sp?). She hunts. Never mentions it unless someone else brings it up. Ask her why.
When hunting IS brought up it is usually by someone new to the forum, because they don't know what they are letting themselves in for.
There is a Fishing forum, but no Hunting forum. Why? Probably because of the attacks it would attract. (I can only IMAGINE!) I guess we could ask Ryan. He would certainly lose the business of the vitriolic anti-hunters.
Wow. Y'know, oddly, I actually think this has turned into a healthy (and reasonably civil) discussion. How did THAT happen?
I'm going to bed. G'night, all.
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