Aug 29, 2009 at 8:21 pm #1238900
I'm in love w/ my Houdini "wind" shirt- very light, packs to next to nothing, stops the wind and I've found it to be very good in short or lighter rain events (if it does wet out, it dries fast)
I'm looking for an equivalent now in pants. These would be most often layered over shorts, but if cold enough- over some light fleece ( R1) pants
thanks in advance
MikeAug 29, 2009 at 9:19 pm #1523739
@davecLocale: Crown of the Continent
Patagonia did make a Houdini (or was it still called Dragonfly?) pants early in that piece's life.Aug 29, 2009 at 11:55 pm #1523754
@verberLocale: San Francisco Bay Area
montane makes the featherlite wind pants would certainly be the sort of thing you are looking for. Not quite as windproof as the houdini, but just about right for me are a pair of BPL Thorofare pants.
–markAug 30, 2009 at 6:49 am #1523765
The Montbell wind pants do the job. Very wind resistant. Shed water well for about an hour. Mosquito-proof. If you expect to be warm while wet you need a base layer underneath. 2.5 ounces for a large.
The fabric at this weight is not robust. I typically wear my shorts over them in camp to protect the seat. So if you only wear these over long pants you have to be careful where you sit (Not on Sierra granite). I've poked a couple of holes in them bushwacking. But I like what they do for what they weigh.
When these die (maybe in 3 or 4 years at my current rate of abuse) I will buy another pair.Aug 30, 2009 at 8:01 am #1523775
those both look promising :)Aug 30, 2009 at 9:34 am #1523787
.Aug 30, 2009 at 10:06 am #1523791
For me, softshell pants work as wind pants just fine. If I really get cold, I put light rain pants over the softshells. Would you be carrying both wind pants and rain pants, or leaving the rain pants behind?Aug 30, 2009 at 10:51 am #1523799
@awsorensenLocale: South of Forester Pass
I just wish someone made a mens version of Schoeller pant like this one.
Great with wind and excellent water resistance.Aug 30, 2009 at 11:27 am #1523806
Aaron have you tried these:
Wild Things Granite Pants (Schoeller Dynamic Extreme)
You have to call Wild things to get them. They are not available on the website.
Cloudveil Switchback: (Schoeller® Dynamic)Aug 30, 2009 at 12:46 pm #1523820
Bill- would be leaving rain pants behind (at least on trips that I would pack these)
the stretch ones look nice, like the ankle zips
they (prolite) also has a ID pertex wind pant (~ 4 oz) how would these compare w/ the Montane and MB ones?
basically I'm looking for a good performing wind pant that can double as a rain paint in less severe conditions- much like the houdini doesAug 30, 2009 at 1:16 pm #1523826
I guess it's just a different philosophy for different weather conditions. I hike in softshell pants that can soak through, but dry within 15 minutes once the rain stops. I carry Golite Reed rain pants (3.9 oz in size Med.)but only use them if the weather is cold and rainy.
BillAug 30, 2009 at 7:49 pm #1523887
Bill- I've haven't tried soft shell pants like you've mentioned, might have to
for three season I spend 90%+ hiking in shorts, if it gets really cold I don a light fleece pant (Patagonia R1's ~ 8 oz), heavy rain- rain pants
I often hike in areas (or times of year) where rain is a low likelihood or if it does it's of short duration- it's those area/times that I think I'll ditch my rain gear and rely instead on my Houdini and "houdini-like" pants :)
I found a similar thread dated a couple of years back- in that thread someone gave the ID pertex pants a go and said they were horrible
evidently lots of folks had the Houdini pants back then, which nary a bad word was uttered- of course they have long since been discontinued (which is too bad)
that same thread the general consensus appeared to be that the montane featherlites were more breathable than the MB offerings, but less water resistant and a little less wind resistant (makes sense)
now if someone happened to have some Houdini pants collecting dust in their closet………. :)Aug 30, 2009 at 11:24 pm #1523918
@mikefaedundeeLocale: Under a bush in Scotland
Have a look at Combin Pants from Mountain Equipment in the UK.Aug 31, 2009 at 12:37 am #1523921
@verberLocale: San Francisco Bay Area
> I just wish someone made a mens version of Schoeller pant
> like this one.
Besides the material… what features / design are you looking for. Several companies including REI, Arcteryx, Cloudveil, and beyondclothing.com regularly sell pants made from dynamic.
I am not sure Dynamic is the sort of material that Mike is looking for. It is more durable than most materials, but I found it's comfort range was smaller than a number of other materials.
I have had pretty good luck with Cloudveil's Inertia Plus as an all-around material for pants. That said, it's pricy and I have noticed that I was more and more primarily wearing shorts. So I switched from Cloudveil zippys to some running shorts and a pair of the BPL pants. So far, the combination has worked well.
–MarkAug 31, 2009 at 7:58 am #1523951
.Aug 31, 2009 at 12:03 pm #1524002
I used to carry montane pertex pants, but found them somehow incompatible with my energic style, useless when weather getting bad, and not warm enough for camp around time.
Instead, I had a look at some stretch pants and found a great model made out of mixture of stretch fabric from Schoeller Dryedge and Gore windstopper at specific places.
This pant is a all year round pant I use also in winter for running. It is called Cross track pant by Millet:
I carry some MLD cuben chaps for raining days as complement.Aug 31, 2009 at 1:16 pm #1524027
@servingkoLocale: Intermountain West
Wild Things also has an EPIC microfiber windpants. 5.1oz for the my medium size and quite water resistance. These are the only wind/rain pants I carry anymore for the intermountain west. As a plus they are 50% right now.Aug 31, 2009 at 1:53 pm #1524031
You might also want to check out the Golite Whim. At 4 oz for size large, they are very water resistant and durable, but not as breathable as Pertex. They pack up very small and stuff into the included waistband pocket. They are evidently some kind of hybrid material that incorporates polyester and a carbon fabric. I've had good success with them.Aug 31, 2009 at 5:32 pm #1524058
Anna- they were talking about the UL ones, I didn't realize the stretch ones were more breathable- that's good to know- I do like the ankle zips on the Stretch ones and the fact they are a little more durable
the Whim and Wild Things Epic wind pants look like viable candidates, better too many choices than not enough :)Aug 31, 2009 at 6:41 pm #1524076
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
Montane Featherlite or GoLite Whim, the Montane being my choice. There is a price to be paid– a windshirt can be snagged or ripped, but pants really take a beating, with more mud, dirt, brush, rocks, roots, and abrasion from your own boots to destroy them, not to mention sitting down.
A windshirt protects your core. Pants certainly help and wind pants can keep bugs and sun off too (why are they all black???). But… I would rather wear zip-offs for my "bottoms" wardrobe, or rely on my rain gear for long pants if the weather gets stinky. In my neck of the woods, if it is cold, it is usually wet, so the rain pants will be worn anyway.
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