May 9, 2009 at 9:48 am #1236210
I just created a simple web app called GearGrams to help keep track of gear lists and weight. I'm not sure if others will find it useful or not but it was fun to make.
You can find it here: http://www.geargrams.comMay 9, 2009 at 9:57 am #1500172
Requires a log-in.
Yes free, but…May 9, 2009 at 10:09 am #1500180
Its multi user so someway to separate users is needed.
I guess I can ditch all the personal information like email, first name and last name since they aren't used at all. Would that help?May 9, 2009 at 10:36 am #1500187
Personal info is no longer required to make an account.
Here is an example of a list you can create and share:
http://www.geargrams.com/list?id=171May 9, 2009 at 11:47 am #1500197
I think its great – very user friendly, and definitely will feel familiar to anyone who has used iTunes before. I like that you can maintain many lists at once in a simple fashion. One idea: is there a way you can add more "categories"? Gear like packs, p-cord, and general miscelaneous gear (headlamps, first aid kits, packliner/cover, stuff sacks, sunglasses, etc) seem a little homeless right now. Perhaps a "packing" category and a "misc" category would cover the gaps quite well. Also, some sort of designation for clothing worn vs packed would be nice.
Anyway, these are nitpicks, and overall I really like what you've created.
MattMay 9, 2009 at 4:25 pm #1500246
I agree that different categories are needed. The next feature I add will be user created categories so you can organizes things however you want.
I've also been thinking a url field for items would be nice so you can link them to the manufacture or other site.May 9, 2009 at 5:47 pm #1500269
@markmclauchlinLocale: Western Australia
This is great Aaron, I would love to see an export function :)May 9, 2009 at 6:07 pm #1500273
Matt: You can now add your own categories. There is an "Edit Categories" button bellow the categories select in the edit item view.
That sounds a little complicated but I think its hard to miss.
Mark: Good idea. Plain text would be easy to add. What other format would you like to see?May 9, 2009 at 10:04 pm #1500319
Nice work. Two suggestions:
* when you select "grams" or "ounces" down the very bottom right for the Total weight, it would be good if all of the individual weights in the list could change to the correct units at the same time
* another column called "Hide" or "Deselect" or something would be good, so that we can select items which we don't want to take on a particular trip. When you 'hide' an item, it would be great if the text for that line turned a light grey colour, and the weight was no longer included in the total weight calculation.
I hope you keep developing it, because it looks like a really useful application which I would like to use. Being able to export in csv format would be useful for some spreadsheet programs, but I suppose plain text should work for that too.
Cheers, AMay 9, 2009 at 10:27 pm #1500321
Just to add to my previous suggestion, you could perhaps put the "deselect/hide" option in the existing "Options" column.May 9, 2009 at 11:45 pm #1500327
I'm impressed by the program you've developed, and think it might end up being useful to me.
It's been even more impressive to watch it improve significantly between the time I checked it out this morning and took another look at it just now.
As usual, this site is full of great suggestions, but I've particularly enjoyed seeing them so swiftly implemented.
Nicely done.May 10, 2009 at 12:35 am #1500331
@markmclauchlinLocale: Western Australia
Plain text, csv or PDF would be great.
Usually csv is enough for most people to do something with,
CheersMay 10, 2009 at 12:38 am #1500332
Is there a reason why the program changes 1.9 ounces to 1.892857…. each time I log back in? Very odd. I have other numbers like 9.5 ounces which are unaffected, but for some reason it does something weird to one of my numbers.
Also, "copy list url to the clipboard" doesn't seem to work for me. I'm using Firefox 3.0 on ubuntu.May 10, 2009 at 1:25 am #1500334
Another problem… I can't see an explicit "save" button. But when I leave the page and come back and log in later, not all of my changes are still there. Is there a "save" button that I'm missing, or is it meant to be saved automatically? If so, it's not quite working right on my system.
Happy debugging! ;-)May 10, 2009 at 9:09 am #1500365
Wow! thanks for all the feedback. Super helpful!
If I understand correctly you would like a way to change weight unit for all items in a list. I'll play around with ways to do this but I'm not sure the total drop down is the best place for this because I can see people wanting there individual measurements to stay the same. For instance if you have a spoon that weighs 5 grams its nice to see 5 grams rather than .01 pounds.
A hide or deselect is a good idea. I was hoping that having multiple lists would negate the need for this but I can see where toggling things on and off would be useful.
I'll look into the 1.9 to 1.892… issue. Weight for all items is stored in grams then converted so there is probably a problem with unit conversion.
Saving: Saving is automatic. When you change something the system will wait less than half a second to collect more save data then send it to the server. Also, only one save can happen at a time. So if you change something then close the window fast the changes probably wont make it to the server. I'll look into adding some feedback or alert that shows if you try to close the window before data has finished saving.
I'll look into the firefox url issue. It looks like nothing happens when you click on the button but the link should be copied to the clip board. I don't like the nothing response so I may add a pop up widow of some kind instead.
Mark, Ashley: I'll add plain text then csv. PDF can be a pain so I'll probably hold off on adding it unless people really wont it.
Adam: Thanks! I hope I can make these changes just as swiftly. Working on these fun side projects can be dangerous because I end up spending more of my time on them rather than paying work :)May 10, 2009 at 11:30 am #1500381
Have you considered a "gear closet" feature? A place to list all owned gear. With the ability to select items that would produce a gearlist for a particular trip.May 10, 2009 at 1:07 pm #1500385
@bfornshellLocale: Southern Texas
Nice program. I didn't have a way to create a gear list and this program of yours will do what I need just great. Thanks.
What kind of computer are you using?
Do you know about the iPhone Apps Store?
You might think about adding to this to the Apple Apps Store.May 10, 2009 at 1:14 pm #1500386
Jim: I think you just described how the app works. The gear library is the same as the gear closet. You can then make lists and add items to those lists. There is a video in the help section that shows basic use.
I can see how this wouldn't be obvious. Maybe a welcome message that shows for new users and directs them to help video will help?May 10, 2009 at 3:49 pm #1500398
Originally I thought of doing this on the iPhone as a learning project but decided to do it in flash first since thats what I know best. I may do an iPhone version but it all depends on if I can find the time.May 10, 2009 at 5:25 pm #1500411
Regarding changing the units from grams to ounces, I would like the ability to switch the units of everything (including the totals) from grams to ounces and vice versa. Being an Aussie I usually work in grams, but since most folks on BPL talk in ounces I often use that too. So it would be nice to instantaneously look at my gear list in either grams or ounces depending on what I am comparing it to.
Saving… I think I probably left the page too quickly. The problem is, under Firefox 3.0 when I make a change I get a message in the info bar at the bottom left of the page which says "Transferring data from geargrams.com…" but the message doesn't disappear and say "Done" or anything. So for example, I just edited something, and 5 minutes later it is still saying "Transferring data from geargrams.com". There's no indication as to when it has finished saving. If I click around for a bit without editing anything, and then come back a few minutes later the status bar says "Done". If I don't do any clicking it doesn't. But presumably saving doesn't actually take that long.
Copy url… I didn't really expect anything to happen when I clicked the button, but I did expect to be able to paste the url using Ctrl-V after clicking the button. This didn't work, and I suspect it may have more to do with ubuntu than firefox. Perhaps you can try it out on Firefox under windows to confirm that.
One final suggestion, for when you are really bored with paid work and wanna have some fun ;-) It would be excellent to have a "category" view, where you get subtotals of weights for each category. At the moment I can click to arrange the items by category order, but it would be nice if there was a special "view" which divided the page up into different category sections like a traditional gear list with subtotals.
Oh, one other thing! =-) One thing that I do (and presumably many others do to) is keep a "wishlist" of gear that I want to buy. With your program I can make a separate "wishlist" gear list, which is great. In the description field I've written a url which links to webpages related to the gear item in question… basically the place where I would probably buy it from, or a link to reviews of the item, or a link to the product's specifications. For some items I might have several links. At the moment it's not possible to click on any of those urls and I have to click "edit" then copy and paste. I don't suppose there is any way to make easily clickable links?
I don't know about you, but as a bit of a gearhead it would be great for me to store useful links (even to BPL threads) in a convenient place where I do all of my gearlist stuff. Might be too tricky though, so don't worry if you put it on the backburner.
Great job so far, very impressive!
Cheers, AMay 10, 2009 at 10:43 pm #1500462
Added welcome message to new users.
Fixed rounding issue (1.9 ounces will no longer become 1.89234)
More to come…
changing the units from grams to ounces: Good points. I'll play around with different ways to toggle all items between the different units.
Better Saving UI is coming soon
Firefox ubuntu issue: Works on mac firefox. I'll test on windows. Sorry, I don't have an ubuntu machine.
Category View: Totally agree! I would like to have this as well. I'll probably work on it after these other things are added.
WishList URL field: I'll start by adding one url field. If that isn't enough multiple url support can be added.
Thanks a ton for all the great comments and bug finds. I'm happy to see others finding it useful.May 10, 2009 at 11:06 pm #1500470
Awesome, thanks Aaron. No time to check it out now, but will get back to you if I find any other issues after you've made the changes.
Something I forgot to mention… when creating a second or third gear list by clicking "+", the lists are automatically named "Gear List" and I can't see an option for renaming them. Would be good to have a little prompt come up asking for a gear list name when you add a new gear list.
Lastly, I don't know whether Flash will let you do this easily, but it would also be great to be able to select multiple items in one list and drag them on to another list. At the moment I can only drag one item at a time. If possible a "Ctrl-A" select all option would be good too, so you can drag/copy all of the contents of one list to the new list. Not a big priority right now though.May 10, 2009 at 11:43 pm #1500473
> when creating a second or third gear list by clicking "+", the lists are automatically named "Gear List" and I can't see an option for renaming them
Correction… just noticed that you can edit the gear list name by double clicking on the list symbol next to the name. Not entirely obvious though.
ps. I haven't watched the help video. I'm one of those people that doesn't like reading/watching instructions but prefers to just play around with something!May 11, 2009 at 8:58 am #1500513
Multiple selection is possible and a great idea.
I'm one who doesn't look at help often either. Actually, I'd be more likely to look at a tutorial video before I make an account to decide if its worth my time.
Maybe I will add it to the login screen instead.
I may even get rid of the help video inside the app and use some well placed help bubbles instead. For example, if you clicked on the + to make a new list a bubble would appear for a few seconds over the list name that says "Double click to change name".May 11, 2009 at 5:48 pm #1500634
> For example, if you clicked on the + to make a new list a bubble would appear for a few seconds over the list name that says "Double click to change name".
That would be a great idea.
Maybe a button to disable "bubble messages" might be good too if you go that route. It could get annoying for some people once they know how everything works.
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