Jan 29, 2008 at 7:54 pm #1227011
@splproductionsLocale: Salt Lake City, UT
I can't seem to fit things in my pack like other people seem to fit things into theirs. I am using a Jam2, size large (3300 cui I think) and I seem to run out of room for a summer weekend hike! By the time I'm ready to add food all I have is the outside zip section of the pack.
This is a quick, abbreviated list:
– MLD Grace Duo tarp w/ CF poles
– REI Lite Core pad (packed deflated as rigid frame, then inflated – if it can inflate)
– MLD 2/3 XP quilt
– Montbell Down Inner Jacket (the "other" 1/3 of my sleep system)
– MLD Superlight bivy
– Houdini, extra pair of socks, beanie
– MSR Titan, BPL Ti-wing stove
– 5.6 oz first-aid kit
– Compass, whistle, photon, knife, 1oz firestarting kit
That's pretty much it. I would love to get a Whisper or a Revelation, but I just don't see how I could possibly fit anything in it. Has anyone gone through this? Any help? Do I just need to jam things in really, really tight?Jan 29, 2008 at 8:11 pm #1418332
Ben 2 WorldParticipant
@ben2worldLocale: So Cal
1. Pack your bivy, tarp and poles into a tubular stuff sack and stash it horizontally to the outside of your pack — right at the top — and secure tightly with the pack's top compression strap.
2. Pack your rain jacket and the various small stuff you need for the day — lunch, first aid, water treatment kit, trowel, et. in the pack's outside front pocket.
3. Place two 1L size Platy bladders or bottles into the pack's side pockets — connect one to your hydration tube if you use it. I have an additional 3L bladder for camp use, but that's only filled at camp towards the end of the hike.
I usually pack as if rain is expected. So:
1. line my pack with a contractor's bag
2. insert deflated Lite Core sleeping pad folded flat (as pack frame)
3. jam in sleeping bag and clothing (save space and weight by NOT using stuff sacks) — use up nooks and corner space – squish and be amazed how little space they all take
4. pack in food and other items
5. twist the garbage bag opening tight, then insert the twisted end downward
6. close up your pack, cinch the sides tight
7. load the bivy/tarp sack on top and cinch tight
When arriving camp — esp. in rain — you can access your tarp and bivy without opening/exposing your pack contents to the elements at all.
Packing up, you can do so in the safety of your tarp — pack and cinch tight your backpack, then don on your rain jacket or poncho to take down your tarp — stuff with bivy into the sack and attach to your pack — and you're ready to go.Jan 29, 2008 at 8:34 pm #1418335
@aroth87Locale: Missouri Ozarks
I do much the same as Ben, except I normally put my tarp and groundsheet at the top of my pack (I use a poncho-tarp now so rain gear and tarp are one in the same). I usually stash my windshirt in the back pocket of my Whisper if I'm not wearing it so I can grab it quickly if I need it.
Also, is there any reason you aren't keeping the compass, knife, whistle, etc. on your person? It won't save much room in your pack but its always nice stuff to have on you in case you get separated from your pack. I also keep my first aid kit in the outside pocket so I can get to it without rooting through my pack.
AdamJan 29, 2008 at 10:38 pm #1418344
@sharaldsLocale: Gallatin Range
I did a number of nine day resupplies on my thru hike this summer with my 3200 cu. in. ULA Conduit. I too always pack for rain. Rain gear as well as stuff I need during the day gets packed outside in the mesh pockets. This included rain jacket and the days food. This way I really don't have to open the pack until I need to refill the water bladder inside.
The secret for getting all my gear into smaller packs is about making use of space. I don't use many stuff sacks. In fact on the longest stretches of days without resupply you would find me forcing energy bars into every little nook and cranny just to get the nearly twenty pounds of food to fit inside with all my gear. As a side note I recommend a light internal frame pack for this sort of pursuit.Jan 30, 2008 at 12:33 am #1418351
@skopeoLocale: British Columbia
…Jan 30, 2008 at 1:11 pm #1418427
I'd pack the Jam2 like this: tarp in a small stuffsack in outside pocket, CF poles packed internally or strapped to the side of the pack; pad folded up (deflated) along backpad, MLD 2/3 XP quilt in small stuffsack at bottom of pack, or, as people have suggested here: packet loosely inside waterprood pack liner; Montbell Down Inner Jacket packed either in the same stuffsack as the XP quilt, at the bottom of the pack, or loosely in a waterproof liner; bivy in small stuffsack in outside pocket; Houdini in top of pack; extra pair of socks & beanie in waterproof liner or stuffsack at bottom of pack; MSR Titan -that's big, but try to fit the pot inside your food stuffsack and pack the inside of the pot with food; BPL Ti-wing stove -pretty small, right?; 5.6 oz first-aid kit -wherever you want it-I'd put this and the following miscellaneous stuff in just a very small silnylon stuffsack/ditty bag towards the top of your pack- Compass, whistle, photon, knife, 1oz firestarting kit
Sam, According to ULA's website, the Conduit is a frameless pack. Are you saying, when you recommend a light internal frame, that you would have preferred something with a more rigid frame than the Conduit?Jan 30, 2008 at 3:30 pm #1418453
@sharaldsLocale: Gallatin Range
> Sam, According to ULA's website, the Conduit
> is a frameless pack. Are you saying, when you
> recommend a light internal frame, that you
> would have preferred something with a more
> rigid frame than the Conduit?
Yes, I would recommend a framesheet or minimal internal support of some variety when carrying loads over thirty pounds for extended periods. I built a plastic framesheet for my Conduit and that seemed to work pretty well. ULAs Circuit pack would probably be perfect with it's suspension rod system and is worth a look.
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